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Excellent post
Some forget that the IS-f was not developed from the ground up like the M3. The IS chassis was not designed with a V8 in mind. Lexus just stretched the nose and added stiffer spring rates to accomodate the tuned LS460 V8.. I rather a super saloon that was engineered from the ground up. How about you?
Some forget that the IS-f was not developed from the ground up like the M3. The IS chassis was not designed with a V8 in mind. Lexus just stretched the nose and added stiffer spring rates to accomodate the tuned LS460 V8.. I rather a super saloon that was engineered from the ground up. How about you?I'd rather get a super car that was engineered from the ground up to take the 911 turbo down. or this if I have money.
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01-14-08, 08:07 AM
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1. Very good BASE pricing. We know BMW has options for days and people want it so more power to them.
2. M3 is not built from the ground up. A 911 is built from the ground up. M3 like the C63, IS-F, RS4 are all base cars modified to be super sedans. Let us not forget the E30 was a homogolation racer and the car has over 20 years to evolve.
2. M3 is not built from the ground up. A 911 is built from the ground up. M3 like the C63, IS-F, RS4 are all base cars modified to be super sedans. Let us not forget the E30 was a homogolation racer and the car has over 20 years to evolve.
01-14-08, 09:08 AM
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3 series is a 3 series. IS is an IS. Don't buy into marketing hype. They can say whatever they want but at the end of the day, it's just an entry level saloon with mad engine.
I'd rather get a super car that was engineered from the ground up to take the 911 turbo down. or this if I have money.
I'd rather get a super car that was engineered from the ground up to take the 911 turbo down. or this if I have money.
Anywho, no the M3 is not "an entry level saloon with mad engine".... It is not patch work nor a last minute ditch effort... Read below.
The BMW M3 Concept Car.
Description in Brief.
• Concept study of a BMW M3 by BMW M GmbH, dimensions and fundamental form based on BMW 3 Series Coupé, exclusive new engineering of almost every body element, purpose-built for individualistic form and maximum sporting potential.
• At the core of this concept study is an M3-typical V8 engine tuned
to the high revving M concept.
• Front design conveying a high performance sports car, functional execution of the front apron and engine compartment lid, a robust Powerdome and large air intakes that express the vehicle’s superior drive power, particularly voluminous air intakes for ample air supply to the engine compartment through the elimination of fog lamps, typical of M, and a front apron in a pronounced forward position that symbolises the car’s motoring spirit.
• Sharply defined wheel arches, gill-shaped openings in the front side walls with an elaborate three-dimensional design typical of M cars, and chrome brackets with integrated direction indicators.Characteristic M-brand side skirts providing the side view with an energy-laden accent, visual emphasis of the rear-wheel drive and car’s wide track, 19-inch light alloy rims
with the characteristic Y-spoke design, exclusive exterior mirrors with an aerodynamically optimised design.
• Rear design with horizontal lines accentuating the car’s wide track, pronounced wheel orientation as a symbol of its powerful stance, rear diffuser that mirrors design elements of the front apron, balanced proportions underlining the BMW M3’s supremacy, M-typical double tailpipes arranged toward the centre of the vehicle.
• Intelligent lightweight construction that directly influences the vehicle’s agility and dynamic performance, aluminium engine compartment lid.
Side walls made of synthetic material and CFRP roof that optimise weight distribution and centre of gravity, visible CFRP roof construction as
an additional design element, emphasis of flat silhouette and high tech character of the vehicle.
The Vision of Ultimate Driving Pleasure:
The BMW M3 Concept Car.
Its very name is a symbol for unique performance on the racetrack and in everyday traffic. For two decades, BMW M3 has embodied the athletic heart of the brand in its most fundamental and succinct form. Its dominating role in motor sports and the ultimate driving experience it affords the driver on the road are inseparably intertwined. The qualities on which this synthesis is founded have given the BMW M3 the exceptional status it enjoys the world over.
At BMW M GmbH, engineers have persisted in continuing this success story with the presentation of the new BMW M3 Concept Car. The concept study being presented to the public for the first time at the 77th International Motor Show in Geneva (8th to 18th of March, 2007) gives a first impression of what
a future BMW M3 might look like.
The basic form for the BMW M3 Concept Car is a derivative of the new
BMW 3 Series Coupé. The few components adopted directly from the series model are the headlamps and taillamps and, as the only body elements,
the two doors and the luggage compartment lid. In all other respects,
the BMW M3 Concept Car, which is being presented in the Chrome Shadow finish characteristic of BMW M GmbH concept studies, is obviously
an individualistic and athletic vehicle with technology at the focus of its engineering.
Individualistic body concept with emotional aesthetics.
In keeping with tradition, the engineers at BMW M GmbH developed the BMW M3 Concept Car as a fundamentally individualistic vehicle. The level of commitment to this approach is clearly demonstrated by its body. While it is based on the dimensions and the underlying form of the BMW 3 Series Coupé, virtually all body elements have been newly developed and designed from
the ground up. Apart from the supporting vehicle structure, only the doors and the luggage compartment lid were taken over from the series model.
All other components were specially engineered for the BMW M3 Concept Car, lending the vehicle exterior unique aesthetics that accentuate its superior power. Unmistakable features that make the BMW M3 Concept Car instantly recognisable are the special trim at the front and rear, the engine compartment lid with its bulging Powerdome and two air intakes, the lateral air slots in
the front side walls, the side skirts and the exterior mirrors in a BMW M typical design.
Front with additional air intakes, engine compartment lid with Powerdome.
Faithful to the principle of “form follows function” in designing the body for
the concept study, designers at BMW M GmbH used elements that not only visually emphasise the increased sportiness of the vehicle, but also serve
a technical purpose. Conspicuous at the front are three large air intakes below the cooling grille that supply the engine with additional intake and cooling air. Strong, vertical struts delineate the air intakes and enhance their characteristic form.
The aluminium engine compartment lid exhibits a wide bulging curvature known as the Powerdome. Like the air intakes beside it, the Powerdome suggests the great potential that can be expected of a powerplant in the engine bay of a BMW M3. The M3 Concept Car features a high revving V8 engine that is anticipated for the series car once it goes into production.
The contours of the Powerdome and air intakes are in line with the
forward-pointing sweep of the engine compartment lid and harmoniously blend into the overall design of the front, which is longer than that of the
BMW 3 Series Coupé. Together with the double kidney grille typical of BMW and the flat headlamp units, they lend the BMW M3 Concept Car a highly dynamic character.
Wheel arches and side skirts communicate agility and stability.
The muscular front wheel arches of the BMW M3 Concept Car symbolise
the high level of agility and driving stability achieved by this vehicle.
Together with the forged 19-inch light alloy rims in the classic Y-spoke design, they emphasise the vehicle’s wide track, while a glance through the
spokes of the rims reveals the compound high performance brakes developed exclusively for M vehicles.
The opening behind the wheel arch on the front side wall, which the designers refer to as gills, has an elaborate three-dimensional form that is split by a discreet chrome bracket containing the direction indicator and the M3 logo.
Two arched surfaces form the pronounced side skirt, creating a purposefully designed contrast between light and shadow. By giving the side wall a lower appearance, the side skirt lends the car a lighter, sportier look from this angle. The incidence of light on the likewise sharply defined rear wing and wheel stresses the dynamic character of this vehicle and visually highlights its rear-wheel drive.
The design of the side skirt corresponds with the shape of the strongly pronounced contour line. The play of light and shadow between the parallel contours of the skirt and contour line brings about a tightness in design
that emphasises the individual character of the BMW M3 Concept Car even more strongly.
Exclusive exterior mirrors developed for the BMW M3 Concept Car feature the characteristic black double foot that reminds the viewer of the wings of an aircraft. Even this small detail is in keeping with the principle of “form follows function”. With their horizontal contour line and tapered shape toward
the outside, the exterior mirrors not only contribute to the overall impression
of the vehicle, but their aerodynamic shape, optimised in a wind tunnel,
is advantageous to air resistance values.
Wide track, muscular stance – rear design emphasises dynamic performance.
The rear of the BMW M3 Concept Car picks up on the design of the car’s front. The side lines gradually sink toward the rear and the wings end in
a modelled hollow flute, emphasising the rear-wheel drive and visualising the superior dynamics of this vehicle. From any angle, the rear creates
the impression of a pronounced wheel orientation and a muscular stance.
Its proportions lend it confidence and a calm yet powerful impression.
A visually discreet spoiler lip on the luggage compartment lid, also called
a Gurney flap, optimally channels the air at the rear and additionally
reduces lift on the rear axle.
The contours of the diffuser, whose design is subdivided by modelled struts, mirror the shape of the air intakes at the front. The diffuser and the double exhaust tailpipes positioned close to the vehicle’s longitudinal axis appear to pull the rear together at the centre and build up a tension in conjunction
with the horizontal lines of the bumper. The tailpipes have a round cross section and are cut off vertically, as is typical for BMW M GmbH engineering.
Exclusive roof with visible carbon fibre structure.
There is hardly a body element in the BMW M3 Concept Car that exhibits the level of advanced technology as clearly as the roof. It is constructed of carbon fibre reinforced plastic (CFRP). Specialists at the BMW Plant in Landshut, Germany, rely on an exclusive production method in which the structure of the Formula 1 material remains visible and the finely structured surface is only coated with a layer of clear finish.
As a highly visible advanced technology component, the CFRP roof dominates the technically innovative appearance of the BMW M3 Concept Car. Seen from the side, it lets the roof edge appear flatter and thus lowers the perceived body height. Apart from the exclusive appearance, the CFRP roof also offers
a real technical advantage: It is considerably lighter than a steel roof. This not only reduces the overall vehicle weight, but by reducing the weight of the highest element in the body, the centre of gravity is lowered as well. Thus, the reduction in weight at this location is particularly beneficial to the agility and dynamic performance of the vehicle.
The CFRP roof is a perfect example of how interlinking technical innovation with an individual design strategy was central to the development of
the BMW M3 Concept Car. Following the tradition of the previous three generations of the BMW M3, this concept study represents a high performance sports car interpreted for use in everyday diving, with its every detail being yet another example of the objective pursued by the engineers. The BMW M3 Concept Car is a vision that shows where striving for the ultimate driving experience will take us in the future.
Description in Brief.
• Concept study of a BMW M3 by BMW M GmbH, dimensions and fundamental form based on BMW 3 Series Coupé, exclusive new engineering of almost every body element, purpose-built for individualistic form and maximum sporting potential.
• At the core of this concept study is an M3-typical V8 engine tuned
to the high revving M concept.
• Front design conveying a high performance sports car, functional execution of the front apron and engine compartment lid, a robust Powerdome and large air intakes that express the vehicle’s superior drive power, particularly voluminous air intakes for ample air supply to the engine compartment through the elimination of fog lamps, typical of M, and a front apron in a pronounced forward position that symbolises the car’s motoring spirit.
• Sharply defined wheel arches, gill-shaped openings in the front side walls with an elaborate three-dimensional design typical of M cars, and chrome brackets with integrated direction indicators.Characteristic M-brand side skirts providing the side view with an energy-laden accent, visual emphasis of the rear-wheel drive and car’s wide track, 19-inch light alloy rims
with the characteristic Y-spoke design, exclusive exterior mirrors with an aerodynamically optimised design.
• Rear design with horizontal lines accentuating the car’s wide track, pronounced wheel orientation as a symbol of its powerful stance, rear diffuser that mirrors design elements of the front apron, balanced proportions underlining the BMW M3’s supremacy, M-typical double tailpipes arranged toward the centre of the vehicle.
• Intelligent lightweight construction that directly influences the vehicle’s agility and dynamic performance, aluminium engine compartment lid.
Side walls made of synthetic material and CFRP roof that optimise weight distribution and centre of gravity, visible CFRP roof construction as
an additional design element, emphasis of flat silhouette and high tech character of the vehicle.
The Vision of Ultimate Driving Pleasure:
The BMW M3 Concept Car.
Its very name is a symbol for unique performance on the racetrack and in everyday traffic. For two decades, BMW M3 has embodied the athletic heart of the brand in its most fundamental and succinct form. Its dominating role in motor sports and the ultimate driving experience it affords the driver on the road are inseparably intertwined. The qualities on which this synthesis is founded have given the BMW M3 the exceptional status it enjoys the world over.
At BMW M GmbH, engineers have persisted in continuing this success story with the presentation of the new BMW M3 Concept Car. The concept study being presented to the public for the first time at the 77th International Motor Show in Geneva (8th to 18th of March, 2007) gives a first impression of what
a future BMW M3 might look like.
The basic form for the BMW M3 Concept Car is a derivative of the new
BMW 3 Series Coupé. The few components adopted directly from the series model are the headlamps and taillamps and, as the only body elements,
the two doors and the luggage compartment lid. In all other respects,
the BMW M3 Concept Car, which is being presented in the Chrome Shadow finish characteristic of BMW M GmbH concept studies, is obviously
an individualistic and athletic vehicle with technology at the focus of its engineering.
Individualistic body concept with emotional aesthetics.
In keeping with tradition, the engineers at BMW M GmbH developed the BMW M3 Concept Car as a fundamentally individualistic vehicle. The level of commitment to this approach is clearly demonstrated by its body. While it is based on the dimensions and the underlying form of the BMW 3 Series Coupé, virtually all body elements have been newly developed and designed from
the ground up. Apart from the supporting vehicle structure, only the doors and the luggage compartment lid were taken over from the series model.
All other components were specially engineered for the BMW M3 Concept Car, lending the vehicle exterior unique aesthetics that accentuate its superior power. Unmistakable features that make the BMW M3 Concept Car instantly recognisable are the special trim at the front and rear, the engine compartment lid with its bulging Powerdome and two air intakes, the lateral air slots in
the front side walls, the side skirts and the exterior mirrors in a BMW M typical design.
Front with additional air intakes, engine compartment lid with Powerdome.
Faithful to the principle of “form follows function” in designing the body for
the concept study, designers at BMW M GmbH used elements that not only visually emphasise the increased sportiness of the vehicle, but also serve
a technical purpose. Conspicuous at the front are three large air intakes below the cooling grille that supply the engine with additional intake and cooling air. Strong, vertical struts delineate the air intakes and enhance their characteristic form.
The aluminium engine compartment lid exhibits a wide bulging curvature known as the Powerdome. Like the air intakes beside it, the Powerdome suggests the great potential that can be expected of a powerplant in the engine bay of a BMW M3. The M3 Concept Car features a high revving V8 engine that is anticipated for the series car once it goes into production.
The contours of the Powerdome and air intakes are in line with the
forward-pointing sweep of the engine compartment lid and harmoniously blend into the overall design of the front, which is longer than that of the
BMW 3 Series Coupé. Together with the double kidney grille typical of BMW and the flat headlamp units, they lend the BMW M3 Concept Car a highly dynamic character.
Wheel arches and side skirts communicate agility and stability.
The muscular front wheel arches of the BMW M3 Concept Car symbolise
the high level of agility and driving stability achieved by this vehicle.
Together with the forged 19-inch light alloy rims in the classic Y-spoke design, they emphasise the vehicle’s wide track, while a glance through the
spokes of the rims reveals the compound high performance brakes developed exclusively for M vehicles.
The opening behind the wheel arch on the front side wall, which the designers refer to as gills, has an elaborate three-dimensional form that is split by a discreet chrome bracket containing the direction indicator and the M3 logo.
Two arched surfaces form the pronounced side skirt, creating a purposefully designed contrast between light and shadow. By giving the side wall a lower appearance, the side skirt lends the car a lighter, sportier look from this angle. The incidence of light on the likewise sharply defined rear wing and wheel stresses the dynamic character of this vehicle and visually highlights its rear-wheel drive.
The design of the side skirt corresponds with the shape of the strongly pronounced contour line. The play of light and shadow between the parallel contours of the skirt and contour line brings about a tightness in design
that emphasises the individual character of the BMW M3 Concept Car even more strongly.
Exclusive exterior mirrors developed for the BMW M3 Concept Car feature the characteristic black double foot that reminds the viewer of the wings of an aircraft. Even this small detail is in keeping with the principle of “form follows function”. With their horizontal contour line and tapered shape toward
the outside, the exterior mirrors not only contribute to the overall impression
of the vehicle, but their aerodynamic shape, optimised in a wind tunnel,
is advantageous to air resistance values.
Wide track, muscular stance – rear design emphasises dynamic performance.
The rear of the BMW M3 Concept Car picks up on the design of the car’s front. The side lines gradually sink toward the rear and the wings end in
a modelled hollow flute, emphasising the rear-wheel drive and visualising the superior dynamics of this vehicle. From any angle, the rear creates
the impression of a pronounced wheel orientation and a muscular stance.
Its proportions lend it confidence and a calm yet powerful impression.
A visually discreet spoiler lip on the luggage compartment lid, also called
a Gurney flap, optimally channels the air at the rear and additionally
reduces lift on the rear axle.
The contours of the diffuser, whose design is subdivided by modelled struts, mirror the shape of the air intakes at the front. The diffuser and the double exhaust tailpipes positioned close to the vehicle’s longitudinal axis appear to pull the rear together at the centre and build up a tension in conjunction
with the horizontal lines of the bumper. The tailpipes have a round cross section and are cut off vertically, as is typical for BMW M GmbH engineering.
Exclusive roof with visible carbon fibre structure.
There is hardly a body element in the BMW M3 Concept Car that exhibits the level of advanced technology as clearly as the roof. It is constructed of carbon fibre reinforced plastic (CFRP). Specialists at the BMW Plant in Landshut, Germany, rely on an exclusive production method in which the structure of the Formula 1 material remains visible and the finely structured surface is only coated with a layer of clear finish.
As a highly visible advanced technology component, the CFRP roof dominates the technically innovative appearance of the BMW M3 Concept Car. Seen from the side, it lets the roof edge appear flatter and thus lowers the perceived body height. Apart from the exclusive appearance, the CFRP roof also offers
a real technical advantage: It is considerably lighter than a steel roof. This not only reduces the overall vehicle weight, but by reducing the weight of the highest element in the body, the centre of gravity is lowered as well. Thus, the reduction in weight at this location is particularly beneficial to the agility and dynamic performance of the vehicle.
The CFRP roof is a perfect example of how interlinking technical innovation with an individual design strategy was central to the development of
the BMW M3 Concept Car. Following the tradition of the previous three generations of the BMW M3, this concept study represents a high performance sports car interpreted for use in everyday diving, with its every detail being yet another example of the objective pursued by the engineers. The BMW M3 Concept Car is a vision that shows where striving for the ultimate driving experience will take us in the future.
Source: From a thread on www.m3post.com
01-14-08, 09:18 AM
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You can post anything you want, the M3 like everything else in this class, is a modified 3 series (based off a lesser car). It is not a stand alone car. Again, they are very good at it, the car has always been fantastic and they have had over 20 years to develop it.
It is NOT a stand alone model.
It is NOT a stand alone model.
01-14-08, 12:33 PM
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official option pricing are in!
NO GAS GUZZLER TAX
and turns out that the previous official are Including destination
-M3 Coupe $56,500
-M3 Sedan $53,800
plus $775 destination
Options:
-Premium Package-Power folding mirrors, universal garage opener, digital compass mirror, BMW Assist, Novillo Leather interior and choice of three optional interior trims. - $1900
-Technology Package- EDC, M Drive, Comfort Access, and navigation system - $3250
-19" wheels with performance tires in mixed sizes (style 220) - $1200
-Electronic Damping Control (EDC) - $1000
-Extended Novillo Leather Interior - $2000 or $1100 with Premium Package
-Enhanced Premium Sound - $1900
M3 Coupe: steel roof with glass moonroof - No Charge
M3 Sedan: Moonroof - $1050
source : m3post
NO GAS GUZZLER TAX
and turns out that the previous official are Including destination
-M3 Coupe $56,500
-M3 Sedan $53,800
plus $775 destination
Options:
-Premium Package-Power folding mirrors, universal garage opener, digital compass mirror, BMW Assist, Novillo Leather interior and choice of three optional interior trims. - $1900
-Technology Package- EDC, M Drive, Comfort Access, and navigation system - $3250
-19" wheels with performance tires in mixed sizes (style 220) - $1200
-Electronic Damping Control (EDC) - $1000
-Extended Novillo Leather Interior - $2000 or $1100 with Premium Package
-Enhanced Premium Sound - $1900
M3 Coupe: steel roof with glass moonroof - No Charge
M3 Sedan: Moonroof - $1050
source : m3post
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01-14-08, 01:09 PM
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official option pricing are in!
NO GAS GUZZLER TAX
and turns out that the previous official are Including destination
-M3 Coupe $56,500
-M3 Sedan $53,800
plus $775 destination
Options:
-Premium Package-Power folding mirrors, universal garage opener, digital compass mirror, BMW Assist, Novillo Leather interior and choice of three optional interior trims. - $1900
-Technology Package- EDC, M Drive, Comfort Access, and navigation system - $3250
-19" wheels with performance tires in mixed sizes (style 220) - $1200
-Electronic Damping Control (EDC) - $1000
-Extended Novillo Leather Interior - $2000 or $1100 with Premium Package
-Enhanced Premium Sound - $1900
M3 Coupe: steel roof with glass moonroof - No Charge
M3 Sedan: Moonroof - $1050
source : m3post
NO GAS GUZZLER TAX
and turns out that the previous official are Including destination
-M3 Coupe $56,500
-M3 Sedan $53,800
plus $775 destination
Options:
-Premium Package-Power folding mirrors, universal garage opener, digital compass mirror, BMW Assist, Novillo Leather interior and choice of three optional interior trims. - $1900
-Technology Package- EDC, M Drive, Comfort Access, and navigation system - $3250
-19" wheels with performance tires in mixed sizes (style 220) - $1200
-Electronic Damping Control (EDC) - $1000
-Extended Novillo Leather Interior - $2000 or $1100 with Premium Package
-Enhanced Premium Sound - $1900
M3 Coupe: steel roof with glass moonroof - No Charge
M3 Sedan: Moonroof - $1050
source : m3post
01-14-08, 01:10 PM
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The only complains that I have is Premium sound.
01-14-08, 01:16 PM
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Wow...no gas guzzler tax? Now that's a real surprise to me. Every New M3 review so far complains about getting far worse gas mileage than in the previous M3. Like 12mpg or something.
01-14-08, 01:24 PM
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bmw has made it so you really have to drive the is-f and like the experience enough to place a premium on it. while i havent driven both, i cant imagine that being a good thing for lexus. especially when bmw drops the dual clutch tranny...
btw
do the M cars get the free maint too?
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yeah thats what i thought. everyone seemed to expect the m3's price to gap upward beyond the is-f once you option it out. now it looks like that wont be the case at all.
01-14-08, 01:31 PM
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I'd expect the M3 to get free maintenance...? It's part of BMW's strategy, which other luxury makes do not offer or dropped. OTOH if your car is pretty trouble-free...
Anyhow, it's pretty clear that BMW is not responding the way it and Mercedes did when the LS 400 entered their domain...pretend it didn't exist, and keep the prices high until it was too late.
At least one can say the IS-F and competitors evidently forced them to ante down the price. What that does to profitability is questionable, but they laid off workers recently and probably make extra on the basic 3-series.
Definitely a good point, that the base price may further help sway reviewers. However I wouldn't count on these measures to snuff out the IS-F or the F-division in its crib.
Anyhow, it's pretty clear that BMW is not responding the way it and Mercedes did when the LS 400 entered their domain...pretend it didn't exist, and keep the prices high until it was too late.
At least one can say the IS-F and competitors evidently forced them to ante down the price. What that does to profitability is questionable, but they laid off workers recently and probably make extra on the basic 3-series.
Definitely a good point, that the base price may further help sway reviewers. However I wouldn't count on these measures to snuff out the IS-F or the F-division in its crib.
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agreed on the first count.
bmw has made it so you really have to drive the is-f and like the experience enough to place a premium on it. while i havent driven both, i cant imagine that being a good thing for lexus. especially when bmw drops the dual clutch tranny...
btw
do the M cars get the free maint too?
bmw has made it so you really have to drive the is-f and like the experience enough to place a premium on it. while i havent driven both, i cant imagine that being a good thing for lexus. especially when bmw drops the dual clutch tranny...
btw
do the M cars get the free maint too?
