Article: "SUV owners are selfish and insecure.
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isnt it funny how the majority of SUV drivers are females who's no taller than 5'4"
and i'm not talking about just any SUV.....talking about those SUV-size SUV's like ESCALADE, EXPEDITION, NAVIGATORS, RANGE ROVERS, etc
and i'm not talking about just any SUV.....talking about those SUV-size SUV's like ESCALADE, EXPEDITION, NAVIGATORS, RANGE ROVERS, etc
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"They often lack confidence in their driving skills."
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Call me selfish as the article states, but I have heard much to the contrary, even a few at my track calling me the best driver of an SUV they have ever seen.
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Call me selfish as the article states, but I have heard much to the contrary, even a few at my track calling me the best driver of an SUV they have ever seen.
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I like SUVs primarily because I like space and comfort and not having to get 'down' into a car - SUVs to me are MUCH more comfortable than sedans. I like the higher driving/viewing position. I like loading stuff in the back at waist height and not having to lift is over some stupid high lip.
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I like SUVs primarily because I like space and comfort and not having to get 'down' into a car - SUVs to me are MUCH more comfortable than sedans. I like the higher driving/viewing position. I like loading stuff in the back at waist height and not having to lift is over some stupid high lip.
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So what is this fascination with sitting high. You want to be "King of the Road" or something? You want to feel unstable during cornering? And why to people think it's easier to climb way up into an SUV instead of simply sitting down in a car? Just curious.
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For clarification, I'm not saying big SUV's such as the Escalade or Suburban should not excist. They have their place with some people. But for many of the buyers, it's just an overly excessive buying decision that they don't really need.
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So what is this fascination with sitting high. You want to be "King of the Road" or something? You want to feel unstable during cornering? And why to people think it's easier to climb way up into an SUV instead of simply sitting down in a car? Just curious.
So true. Look around at all the biggest beasts on the road and it's almost always ONE petitte woman in it trying her best to manuver it. Very nice - 13MPG's to transport 125 LBS.![Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
So true. Look around at all the biggest beasts on the road and it's almost always ONE petitte woman in it trying her best to manuver it. Very nice - 13MPG's to transport 125 LBS.
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Perfect example: Corvette vs. Escalade. 16/24 vs. 12/18.
I know Lexus wants their hybrids to be powerful, but my dad is poo pooing the GS450h because it has too much power for him. He'd rather have a hybrid that will hit 60 MPH in 6 seconds than the 5.2 seconds of the GS hybrid in hopes of better fuel economy. He was telling me that he would get another RX400h cause he likes the hybrid so much, but would feel silly getting a second SUV of the same make. Camry hybrid appears to be in his future.
I agree that with these CAFE standards the HP war is over. I'd like to see a V6 Camry with a smaller displacement (say maybe 3.0Ls [back to the way it was]) but with updated technologies like direct injection, valvematic, and of course keep the 6 speed auto.
I know Lexus wants their hybrids to be powerful, but my dad is poo pooing the GS450h because it has too much power for him. He'd rather have a hybrid that will hit 60 MPH in 6 seconds than the 5.2 seconds of the GS hybrid in hopes of better fuel economy. He was telling me that he would get another RX400h cause he likes the hybrid so much, but would feel silly getting a second SUV of the same make. Camry hybrid appears to be in his future.
I agree that with these CAFE standards the HP war is over. I'd like to see a V6 Camry with a smaller displacement (say maybe 3.0Ls [back to the way it was]) but with updated technologies like direct injection, valvematic, and of course keep the 6 speed auto.
It's called the Camry Hybrid
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I am very eager to see the Ecoboosted Ford Explorer.
However, even with DI I am skeptical if a 270 hp 2.0L turbocharged SUV will meet the fuel economy claims that they have been making. I say that because I am thinking of the 2.0L WRX (20/27 mpg) with 227 hp, though without said modern updates in engine technology.
However, even with DI I am skeptical if a 270 hp 2.0L turbocharged SUV will meet the fuel economy claims that they have been making. I say that because I am thinking of the 2.0L WRX (20/27 mpg) with 227 hp, though without said modern updates in engine technology.
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As for wanting to be 'king of the road' no that isn't it, but if around you are big pickup trucks and tractor trailers, it's definitely easier to see about and is less intimidating if you're in an SUV. And it's SAFER because you're more visible. When I'm in my MX-5 (Miata) behind a big tractor-trailer, a big SUV, or a big pickup, it's pretty obvious that often the driver doesn't even know I'm there!
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So true. Look around at all the biggest beasts on the road and it's almost always ONE petitte woman in it trying her best to manuver it. Very nice - 13MPG's to transport 125 LBS.
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How tall are you? I'm 6'3" and I have to sink down into EVERY sedan. In my Explorer I sit up a little bit. The RX300 I had was actually perfect height for me. Open the door - slide in sideways. But it lacked front seat leg room for me.
As for wanting to be 'king of the road' no that isn't it, but if around you are big pickup trucks and tractor trailers, it's definitely easier to see about and is less intimidating if you're in an SUV. And it's SAFER because you're more visible. When I'm in my MX-5 (Miata) behind a big tractor-trailer, a big SUV, or a big pickup, it's pretty obvious that often the driver doesn't even know I'm there!
So I keep my distance and drive defensively, until I can go around 'em.
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As for wanting to be 'king of the road' no that isn't it, but if around you are big pickup trucks and tractor trailers, it's definitely easier to see about and is less intimidating if you're in an SUV. And it's SAFER because you're more visible. When I'm in my MX-5 (Miata) behind a big tractor-trailer, a big SUV, or a big pickup, it's pretty obvious that often the driver doesn't even know I'm there!
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As far as other big vehicles not seeing you, that's only true if your right on their butt. Otherwise, you're just as visible as anything else.
See, I like something like an RX or other car based SUV, but Escalades, Hummers, and Expeditions are like climbing on a jungle gym.
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Well, as a new SUV owner, I must say that it does give you an empowered view of things. Never really understood it. I've been anti-SUV for such a long time. But the FJC just looked so cool, I had to have it. I looked for excuses to not get it, but I eventually bought one and I love it. So many things I would constantly worry about with my SC, no longer a worry. Driving in NYC, I don't get jarred by all the potholes and manhole covers. Door dings? Sliders that stick out to protect the doors. Worried about bumpers when parallel parked? Light bar up front, tire and rear hitch bumper. Gas mileage? My FJC gets BETTER mileage than my SC... (17mpg for SC vs 18mpg for FJC in mixed city/highway) on regular gas vs premium. I did buy the FJC because I loved the styling and for an SUV its a bit impractical (suicide rear doors are cool, but PITA in tight parking lots) but it is a better DD for me than my SC was. Now I can drive my SC on the weekends and pamper it the way it should be...
Everything they said about SUV drivers could be said for luxury car buyers, BMW drivers, exotic car owners, blah blah blah. Empowered, privileged, insecure, etc. Someone previously posted that that article could be written for any car owner except Camry, Accord, Corolla owners. So true.
And I do plan on going offroad with this thing in the summer. I know, more environmental destruction, but I gotta use this thing how it was meant to be used, no? LOL. Either way, the SUV is here to stay and for most, the newer car based SUVs are actually not that bad. Yes, the truck based ones are not as efficient (slade, navigator, LX, GX, 4runner, and my own FJC) but more are being replaced with models with car underpinnings (Sequoia, Highlander).
Everything they said about SUV drivers could be said for luxury car buyers, BMW drivers, exotic car owners, blah blah blah. Empowered, privileged, insecure, etc. Someone previously posted that that article could be written for any car owner except Camry, Accord, Corolla owners. So true.
And I do plan on going offroad with this thing in the summer. I know, more environmental destruction, but I gotta use this thing how it was meant to be used, no? LOL. Either way, the SUV is here to stay and for most, the newer car based SUVs are actually not that bad. Yes, the truck based ones are not as efficient (slade, navigator, LX, GX, 4runner, and my own FJC) but more are being replaced with models with car underpinnings (Sequoia, Highlander).
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The reason I love driving an SUV , actually a Lexus LX is very simple;
comfort is number one , safety is number two , third you can see above some vehicles and anticipate when they are braking.
I buy Lexus mainly because I think they make the best SUV's
I don't like the X5 or the RR or the GL or the Escalade or Hummers, etc..
Yesterday loaner was a Lexus RX350 very uncomfortable front seats.
As soon as my budget improve I'll be replacing my LX470 with the LX570.
I am neither selfish nor insecure.
We are extremely generous.
comfort is number one , safety is number two , third you can see above some vehicles and anticipate when they are braking.
I buy Lexus mainly because I think they make the best SUV's
I don't like the X5 or the RR or the GL or the Escalade or Hummers, etc..
Yesterday loaner was a Lexus RX350 very uncomfortable front seats.
As soon as my budget improve I'll be replacing my LX470 with the LX570.
I am neither selfish nor insecure.
We are extremely generous.
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Wow I don't know why everyone hates people who drives SUV and complain about how much gas they use? The person who owns the SUV is paying the gas bill. I have a truck and a car and now I am going to buy an SUV for my wife.
It isn't the easiest thing trying to travel with kids in a car. We have 3 baby bags 2 car seats a double stroller. With a car you can't fit that stuff and have room for anyone else. SUV's are the best vehicle for families.
It isn't the easiest thing trying to travel with kids in a car. We have 3 baby bags 2 car seats a double stroller. With a car you can't fit that stuff and have room for anyone else. SUV's are the best vehicle for families.
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Because if I am going to spend 40-50 grand on a vehicle Why get something you don't like? If thats the attitude why not just make every car into a honda and ban sports cars. I personally hate minivans I think they look ugly as ****
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Since we are on the subject of neccessity versus superfluosness, I think that SUVs are now fully capable of reducing their fuel consumption/carbon footprint and have an advantage over some passenger cars. Why? Because you can house the batteries of a hybrid drive system without taking up trunk space like it would in a car. We have the technology, it just needs to be incorperated into more SUVs.
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That's because a lot of women have been sold a line of goods that you have to be riding in 2-3 tons of metal for crash safety. This stereotype is also enforced by a lot of the driving instructors in the over-55 driving courses. That's why you see so many seniors in the Crown Vic, Grand Marquis, and Town Car.
What the instructors DON'T tell you is that high-stance SUV's are unstable in cornering and that smaller, lighter cars, because of their better manuverability, can often AVOID accidents that traditional large cars would plow straight into.