Dealers to Charge Up to $129,000 for 2009 Nissan GT-R ...
#48
Pole Position
With 100k units its first run, BMW will be discounting the M3. The worst markups I ever saw were people paying double the sticker price. It was the first production models of Mazda's Miata.
#49
Pole Position
It's unfortunate that dealers are exploiting the demand for the car this way. Just make it first come, first served and when the first allotment is sold out it's just sold out. People who seriously want one, and there will be many more than 1500 of them, will sign up for the second year run.
Greed is the name of the game for the dealerships.
Greed is the name of the game for the dealerships.
#50
Lexus Fanatic
Exactly. I've long been a believer in that. Saturn used to have that policy with its dealerships (they called them "retailers"). It was list price, period, plus tax and tags. No markups, no discounts, no rebates. If the retailers didn't comply, and Saturn found out, the franchise could be pulled.
#51
BahHumBug
iTrader: (10)
Exactly. I've long been a believer in that. Saturn used to have that policy with its dealerships (they called them "retailers"). It was list price, period, plus tax and tags. No markups, no discounts, no rebates. If the retailers didn't comply, and Saturn found out, the franchise could be pulled.
nissan could do the same
#52
This might get confusing
0. Prince Skyline introduced 1957. (Production would continue to at least 2008...)
0b. 1966 Prince / Nissan merge, Prince Skyline became to Nissan Skyline
0c. Nissan Skyline GT-R first introduced in 1969.
1. Nissan Skyline GT-R reintroduced in late 80s in R32 form. A number of R32 variants existed including GTS and GT-R versions, the GT-R the badass version.
2. Nissan gets Frenched, Ghosn needs to cut costs.
3. Nissan Primera was badged Infiniti G20. G20 discontinued twice. Nissan/Infiniti shows XVL concept, which becomes the Nissan Skyline sedan/coupe.
4. G name revived, slapped on Nissan Skyline to make Infiniti G35.
5. So now Japan's Nissan Skyline is our Infiniti G35. Nissan Skyline GT-R still sold until being discontinued late in early 2000s...
6. It is decided the next GT-R will not use skyline name and be sold worldwide.
7. Infiniti dealers beg for it to be an Infiniti. Even makes some press it will be an Infiniti. Nope, it will stay a Nissan and be Nissans big bad daddy of their lineup.
8. Redesigned Nissan Skyline introduced, badged our G35/G37
9. Nissan GT-R now debuts, no Skyline in the name
0. Prince Skyline introduced 1957. (Production would continue to at least 2008...)
0b. 1966 Prince / Nissan merge, Prince Skyline became to Nissan Skyline
0c. Nissan Skyline GT-R first introduced in 1969.
1. Nissan Skyline GT-R reintroduced in late 80s in R32 form. A number of R32 variants existed including GTS and GT-R versions, the GT-R the badass version.
2. Nissan gets Frenched, Ghosn needs to cut costs.
3. Nissan Primera was badged Infiniti G20. G20 discontinued twice. Nissan/Infiniti shows XVL concept, which becomes the Nissan Skyline sedan/coupe.
4. G name revived, slapped on Nissan Skyline to make Infiniti G35.
5. So now Japan's Nissan Skyline is our Infiniti G35. Nissan Skyline GT-R still sold until being discontinued late in early 2000s...
6. It is decided the next GT-R will not use skyline name and be sold worldwide.
7. Infiniti dealers beg for it to be an Infiniti. Even makes some press it will be an Infiniti. Nope, it will stay a Nissan and be Nissans big bad daddy of their lineup.
8. Redesigned Nissan Skyline introduced, badged our G35/G37
9. Nissan GT-R now debuts, no Skyline in the name
note the R34 skyline is succeeded by the v35 skyline (and subsequently the V36). usdm g35s/g37s have v35/v36 badging if you look at the mfring plates in them. the R34 GT-R is succeeded by the R35.
#53
Lexus Fanatic
But Lexus dealers, unlike Saturn retailers, DO sell used cars and other products for more than list or KBB value. For at the example, the Lexus shop I bought my yellow IS300 from back in 2001, the young salesman I dealt with there was the son whose father owned and operated a huge local Ford dealership....one of the largest in the area. That Lexus dealership got a hold of a brand-new, white, 2-seat Thunderbird, presumably from that local Ford shop.....the T-Bird, at that time, was like gold, and almost impossible to get.
They parked it out on the front lot and put it up for sale. I just happened to be there, getting a transmission ECU update for my own Lexus, when a woman came in off the street, took out her purse and checkbook, and calmly wrote a check for $54,000 for a car that listed for roughly $35K (I don't remember the list exactly). I told the young salesman I'd never pay that kind of markup, which of course he already knew, and he said......"You're not buying a T-Bird, either. That's what the market brings." At the time, he was right....and Lexus could not pull the franchise because it obviously was not a Lexus product.
#54
Greed? I wouldn't call it greed. It's business marketing at its finest. Dealers are not greedy, but ask yourself this; Why sell a car for 70k when you can get 100k+ for it? The airlines know this all too well. Why sell a seat for 100 bucks when they can get 1,200 bucks? Are dealers really going to be in "fat city" just because they sell 4 GTR's in a year? A 30k markup isn't going to make a dent in the dealers' financial statement.
#55
Lexus Champion
Greed? I wouldn't call it greed. It's business marketing at its finest. Dealers are not greedy, but ask yourself this; Why sell a car for 70k when you can get 100k+ for it? The airlines know this all too well. Why sell a seat for 100 bucks when they can get 1,200 bucks? Are dealers really going to be in "fat city" just because they sell 4 GTR's in a year? A 30k markup isn't going to make a dent in the dealers' financial statement.
When the consumer no longer will pay the high price, then dealers will reduce their asking price. If I was in the market, I wouldn't like it, but that's the way it is. If these high asking prices turn out to be factual, just wait a few months and they'll be down to around sticker, maybe a little higher.
#56
Lexus Champion
it's bull****. the car was meant to be driven by enthusiasts, not stored in the garage of some rich self proclaimed car collector *******. the wya it's going, that's all that will happen with these cars. why even bother producing the car if all we're going to see is pictures on the internet and no real cars being driven by regular people down the street.
they should have made 150,000, not 1500. it's a nissan not a ferrari, mass produce the damn thing so true enthusiasts can buy one.
they should have made 150,000, not 1500. it's a nissan not a ferrari, mass produce the damn thing so true enthusiasts can buy one.
#57
Lexus Fanatic
When the consumer no longer will pay the high price, then dealers will reduce their asking price. If I was in the market, I wouldn't like it, but that's the way it is. If these high asking prices turn out to be factual, just wait a few months and they'll be down to around sticker, maybe a little higher.
But, not all is bad news. There ARE some dealerships that don't believe in excessive price gouging, even if they will not lose their franchises by gouging. They will sell even high-demand/short supply vehicles either at list or with a small markup at the most. They, wisely, place the satisfaction of their customers ahead of quick, short-term profits, and it often pays for them in the long run. A friend of mine (I helped set up the deal for him) bought a then-new Solstice in 2006 at list from a local dealership that didn't believe in price gouging.