Nissan considering Infiniti GT-R (and other Infiniti news)
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02-11-08, 02:10 PM
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It has to do with a luxury sports car, and that's what we're talking about when discussing branding and marketing the GT-R under a (gasp) luxury brand. But it's clear you have no interest in either reading or comprehending.
Point out anywhere where I grouped all Japanese or all American cars together, and then perhaps we can start talking about who should be going back to high school.
If anything, I grouped together buyers of these vehicles, who year after year in various studies, cite reliability as the reason they avoid American cars (70% of those buyers, according to last year's C/D) and cite reliability as the reason they buy boring Toyotas and Hondas and from other Japanese brands.
Point out anywhere where I grouped all Japanese or all American cars together, and then perhaps we can start talking about who should be going back to high school.
If anything, I grouped together buyers of these vehicles, who year after year in various studies, cite reliability as the reason they avoid American cars (70% of those buyers, according to last year's C/D) and cite reliability as the reason they buy boring Toyotas and Hondas and from other Japanese brands.And what does the average Corolla or a Civic buyer that values reliability have to do with a sports car?
02-11-08, 02:25 PM
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I don't.
... and my point, which you responded to, was that it may have been better off marketed and branded as an Infiniti and a luxury performance car. That is the basis for my entry into the discussion. Yet, just as in this quote, you keep coming back to the GT-R being a sports car. I'm talking what it could be, yet you keep attempting to refute by coming back to what it currently is. Of course if you insist on the GT-R being a sports car, any discussion of it being a luxury car and perceived as such is pointless.
... and my point, which you responded to, was that it may have been better off marketed and branded as an Infiniti and a luxury performance car. That is the basis for my entry into the discussion. Yet, just as in this quote, you keep coming back to the GT-R being a sports car. I'm talking what it could be, yet you keep attempting to refute by coming back to what it currently is. Of course if you insist on the GT-R being a sports car, any discussion of it being a luxury car and perceived as such is pointless.
02-11-08, 02:41 PM
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EDIT: This referenced a post that has since disappeared.
Last edited by gengar; 02-11-08 at 02:50 PM.
02-11-08, 03:27 PM
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Isn't it just like the move by Toyota/Lexus of doing both Land Cruiser and LX470? Also Camry and ES300? I think this move is very unnecessary. All Nissan need to do is increase the allotment of the Nissan GT-R for the American market. Many American companies have done the similar things of selling essentially the same thing in different brands, and I think this is not the Japanese's tradition.
I think it makes sense.
02-11-08, 07:19 PM
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I don't.
... and my point, which you responded to, was that it may have been better off marketed and branded as an Infiniti and a luxury performance car. That is the basis for my entry into the discussion. Yet, just as in this quote, you keep coming back to the GT-R being a sports car. I'm talking what it could be, yet you keep attempting to refute by coming back to what it currently is. Of course if you insist on the GT-R being a sports car, any discussion of it being a luxury car and perceived as such is pointless.
... and my point, which you responded to, was that it may have been better off marketed and branded as an Infiniti and a luxury performance car. That is the basis for my entry into the discussion. Yet, just as in this quote, you keep coming back to the GT-R being a sports car. I'm talking what it could be, yet you keep attempting to refute by coming back to what it currently is. Of course if you insist on the GT-R being a sports car, any discussion of it being a luxury car and perceived as such is pointless.
I personally, think that Infinity GTR is a terrible idea because it would mean a demise of that particular car. Over the years and generations, Skyline GT-R has gotten heavier and more technologically advanced, but it has not grown more luxurious (AFAIK). When you introduce luxury into the equation, you change the customer base and the focus of the car. While M6 is an awesome GT car it is much more 'civilized' than the GT-R and is not a track weapon. To compete with M and AMG, Nissan (er... Infiniti) GT-R would need more weight-adding, performance-sapping luxury items and sound deadening. It might open the market up, but to Skyline GT-R enthusiasts, it would be a sad thing.
02-11-08, 07:54 PM
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Isn't it just like the move by Toyota/Lexus of doing both Land Cruiser and LX470? Also Camry and ES300? I think this move is very unnecessary. All Nissan need to do is increase the allotment of the Nissan GT-R for the American market. Many American companies have done the similar things of selling essentially the same thing in different brands, and I think this is not the Japanese's tradition.
OK... Personal bickering aside, I see both gengar's and thetopdog's points.
I personally, think that Infinity GTR is a terrible idea because it would mean a demise of that particular car. Over the years and generations, Skyline GT-R has gotten heavier and more technologically advanced, but it has not grown more luxurious (AFAIK). When you introduce luxury into the equation, you change the customer base and the focus of the car. While M6 is an awesome GT car it is much more 'civilized' than the GT-R and is not a track weapon. To compete with M and AMG, Nissan (er... Infiniti) GT-R would need more weight-adding, performance-sapping luxury items and sound deadening. It might open the market up, but to Skyline GT-R enthusiasts, it would be a sad thing.
I personally, think that Infinity GTR is a terrible idea because it would mean a demise of that particular car. Over the years and generations, Skyline GT-R has gotten heavier and more technologically advanced, but it has not grown more luxurious (AFAIK). When you introduce luxury into the equation, you change the customer base and the focus of the car. While M6 is an awesome GT car it is much more 'civilized' than the GT-R and is not a track weapon. To compete with M and AMG, Nissan (er... Infiniti) GT-R would need more weight-adding, performance-sapping luxury items and sound deadening. It might open the market up, but to Skyline GT-R enthusiasts, it would be a sad thing.
More GT-Rs allotted for the GT-R enthusiasts because the rich guys can get their lux-ed out GT-R because they can afford it.
02-11-08, 08:30 PM
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DId anyone read the editorial in EVO. Metcalf says the car should be called SKYLINE GT-R and he's upset the Skyline name was dropped as Nissan just mixs and matches things.
The Q45 is dead b/c no business case for it to be profitable can be made. However we have heard of a possible 4 door coupe thing coming. Maybe based off the GT-R?
However, no matter how good it is, Infiniti will continue to be Nissans and not separate from the brand.
02-11-08, 08:39 PM
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More Infiniti news Andrew, I edited your title
Just an idea of a possible Infiniti 4 door coupe above the M35/45.
Rundown of some info:
- Will have the VR38DETT engine from the GT-R but will also have a V-8 in its line-up ; the V-8 that will be used will be the new successor to the VH45.
- It will be four-door model with larger rear seats.
- interior will be more luxurious; soft-leather and wood. The roof will be slightly taller and there will be more rear-leg room in the back and should seat 4-5 adults comfortably.
- weight will be kept down using carbon-fiber components and the car will be designed to achieve sub-8 minutes Nürburgring lap times.
- The car will be positioned against the Porsche Panamera and will be released around 2011
Just an idea of a possible Infiniti 4 door coupe above the M35/45.
Rundown of some info:
- Will have the VR38DETT engine from the GT-R but will also have a V-8 in its line-up ; the V-8 that will be used will be the new successor to the VH45.
- It will be four-door model with larger rear seats.
- interior will be more luxurious; soft-leather and wood. The roof will be slightly taller and there will be more rear-leg room in the back and should seat 4-5 adults comfortably.
- weight will be kept down using carbon-fiber components and the car will be designed to achieve sub-8 minutes Nürburgring lap times.
- The car will be positioned against the Porsche Panamera and will be released around 2011
02-11-08, 08:41 PM
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More Infiniti news Andrew, I edited your title
Just an idea of a possible Infiniti 4 door coupe above the M35/45.
Rundown of some info:
- Will have the VR38DETT engine from the GT-R but will also have a V-8 in its line-up ; the V-8 that will be used will be the new successor to the VH45.
- It will be four-door model with larger rear seats.
- interior will be more luxurious; soft-leather and wood. The roof will be slightly taller and there will be more rear-leg room in the back and should seat 4-5 adults comfortably.
- weight will be kept down using carbon-fiber components and the car will be designed to achieve sub-8 minutes Nürburgring lap times.
- The car will be positioned against the Porsche Panamera and will be released around 2011
Just an idea of a possible Infiniti 4 door coupe above the M35/45.
Rundown of some info:
- Will have the VR38DETT engine from the GT-R but will also have a V-8 in its line-up ; the V-8 that will be used will be the new successor to the VH45.
- It will be four-door model with larger rear seats.
- interior will be more luxurious; soft-leather and wood. The roof will be slightly taller and there will be more rear-leg room in the back and should seat 4-5 adults comfortably.
- weight will be kept down using carbon-fiber components and the car will be designed to achieve sub-8 minutes Nürburgring lap times.
- The car will be positioned against the Porsche Panamera and will be released around 2011
Seems like an interesting rendering. Why not put the Q badge on it?
02-11-08, 08:44 PM
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More Infiniti News
Also, reported in CAR, there is a 4 page article on Infiniti and mostly the G37. The title is "Can Infiniti pull a Lexus"
The G37, EX and FX will be the first models. The FX is the first Infinti to debut in Europe. Then the next Fuga/M35/45 will join.
Biggest rumor is a possible Infiniti small car, maybe even a hatch. Will use a REnault Diesel and maybe a 2.5 V-6. For Europe only.
G37 will actually get higher grade interior, switches for the Euro market. THey understand how important interiors are and the Skyline/USDM G37 is not good enough.
Infiniti is investing tons in top notch dealerships and the customer experience. They want to do what Lexus is doing in Europe here.
Sales goals are modest 8k-10k starting in 2009.
HUGE issue with image. No one knew what the G37 was, some thought it was CHINESE. Infiniti acknowledges its a huge issue, they hope to get buyers tired of the same old BMW/Audi/Benz or tired of crappy quality/service.
I say good luck to them!!!
Also, reported in CAR, there is a 4 page article on Infiniti and mostly the G37. The title is "Can Infiniti pull a Lexus"
The G37, EX and FX will be the first models. The FX is the first Infinti to debut in Europe. Then the next Fuga/M35/45 will join.
Biggest rumor is a possible Infiniti small car, maybe even a hatch. Will use a REnault Diesel and maybe a 2.5 V-6. For Europe only.
G37 will actually get higher grade interior, switches for the Euro market. THey understand how important interiors are and the Skyline/USDM G37 is not good enough.
Infiniti is investing tons in top notch dealerships and the customer experience. They want to do what Lexus is doing in Europe here.
Sales goals are modest 8k-10k starting in 2009.
HUGE issue with image. No one knew what the G37 was, some thought it was CHINESE. Infiniti acknowledges its a huge issue, they hope to get buyers tired of the same old BMW/Audi/Benz or tired of crappy quality/service.
I say good luck to them!!!
02-11-08, 08:55 PM
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I would recommend they drop that name (I mean Q, what an awful letter) and start over with something new for a new sportier car.
