Threxx

Maybe set the chargers on a timer. Power from the grid is generally the cheapest/most plentiful at night time, especially in the winter time around here, and I wouldn't doubt it's the same way in other areas...

ES350Bob

By that hour utilities East of CA are able to make up shortfalls.

There won't be a rush of plug ins, it will be transitional anyway and utilities can get prepared.

Areas repeatedly on restrictions in CA needs to look into AC/heating industry to net some available, currently wasted power, even during the day.

4TehNguyen

iTrader: (1)

charging your car at 7pm during peak hours is silly in the first place and costing your more, charge it at night

GS69

https://www.greencarcongress.com/202...201124-te.html

T&E study finds plug-in hybrids show higher CO2 emissions than claimed

24 November 2020

3 of the most popular plug-in hybrids in 2020 all emitted more CO2 than advertised when tested in the real world, according to tests commissioned by European environmental NGO Transport & Environment (T&E). T&E said governments should therefore end the purchase subsidies and tax breaks for plug-in hybrids.

T&E has commissioned Emissions Analytics to test 3 of the most popular PHEVs sold in 2019: a BMW X5 (longest EV range PHEV available), a Volvo XC60 and the Mitsubishi Outlander. Among the findings:

• The BMW X5, Volvo XC60 and Mitsubishi Outlander emitted 28-89% more CO2 than claimed when tested by Emissions Analytics on a fully charged battery in optimal conditions.
  • On an empty battery, they emitted 3 to 8 times more than official values.
    • When driven in battery-charging mode, which could become more common as motorists charge up ahead of using electric mode in low-emissions zones, the PHEVs emitted 3 to 12 times more.
      

Plug-in hybrids are fake electric cars, built for lab tests and tax breaks, not real driving. Our tests show that even in optimal conditions, with a full battery, the cars pollute more than advertised. Unless you drive them softly, carbon emissions can go off the charts. Governments should stop subsidising these cars with billions in taxpayers’ money.
—Julia Poliscanova, senior director for clean vehicles at T&E
Once the battery is flat, the 3 plug-in hybrids can only drive 11-23km in engine mode before they overshoot their official CO2 emissions per km, T&E estimates. This is contrary to the misleading carmaker narrative that PHEVs on sale today are suited for long journeys, T&E said.

While carmakers blame customers for using the engine too much, the PHEV models on sale today often lack the necessary EV power, range or charging speed, T&E argued. For example, 2 of the 3 cars tested, the BMW X5 and Volvo XC60, cannot fast charge. Even the Outlander’s manual states that the engine may start if the PHEV system is too hot or too cold, if quick acceleration is applied, or if the air conditioning is operating.

Selling plug-in hybrids makes it easier for carmakers to meet their EU car CO2 standards as PHEVs are currently given additional credits. T&E said the EU should end this weakening of the regulation when it reviews the targets for 2025 and 2030 next year.

Resources

• Transport & Environment (2020). ​A new Dieselgate in the making.
  

Posted on 24 November 2020 in Climate Change, Emissions, Hybrids, Plug-ins | Permalink | Comments (3)

pbm317

Would be interested to know more about the specific testing parameters and the use cases that are most typical for PHEVs. We actually just got a Pacifica PHEV, traded in our Odyssey. it doesn't have a "charging" mode as some PHEV's have, also doesn't have DC fast charging. But in the 420 miles or so we've put on it, we've driving about 350 of those as electric. about 65 of the gas/hybrid miles were on the first day where we had to go back and forth to the dealer and they didn't have the van charged up initially. We have the benefit of having a level 2 charger at home, we can almost always top it off before daily errands and daycare runs.

Also seems like a larger issue in terms of what qualifies for the "official CO2" measurement testing. Much like when people find issues with EPA fuel economy vs real world on small displacement turbos.