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#33
Car models aren't competitive based solely on number of cylinders. Every car companies breakdown of the model ladder is different. Let me illustrate:
A5 vs IS250
S5 vs IS350
RS5 vs IS-F
328 vs IS250
335 vs IS350
M3 vs IS-F
C300 vs IS250
C350 vs IS350
C63 vs IS-F
Your IS350 is king of the road in your own dreams. God forbid you pull up next to one of the competition.
The only competitor the IS350 is faster than MAY BE the C350, but I don't have any numbers on it.
A5 vs IS250
S5 vs IS350
RS5 vs IS-F
328 vs IS250
335 vs IS350
M3 vs IS-F
C300 vs IS250
C350 vs IS350
C63 vs IS-F
Your IS350 is king of the road in your own dreams. God forbid you pull up next to one of the competition.
The only competitor the IS350 is faster than MAY BE the C350, but I don't have any numbers on it.
#34
lol.
Based on what are you comparing these cars? Ones that are faster than lexus variants? ha ha ha.
You cant compare S5 with IS350 - S5 is 10k more expensive vehicle (at least).
funny guy.
#35
I disagree. The Audi RS line competes with the M, Lexus F-line and AMG. The S line competes more with a fully loaded 335 than it does an M. By the way, a fully loaded 335 costs $50k (yes...hard to believe). A fully loaded IS350 costs ~$47k and a S5 costs ~$50k...i don't see why those 3 cars don't compete? No cylinder count doesn't matter because one of those cars is boosted.
The Lexus F-line, BMW M, AMG, and Audi RS4 all are about $70k loaded...i think there are better cars in that price range than those if you want sport...
The Lexus F-line, BMW M, AMG, and Audi RS4 all are about $70k loaded...i think there are better cars in that price range than those if you want sport...
And why are you comparing a LOADED 335i and LOADED IS350 to a BASE S5? Let's keep the comparisons realistic .
Apples to apples, there is a HUGE difference in BASE price between the 335i and IS350 compared to the S5.
Thank you. This proves my point that the A5 competes with the IS350 and 335i, NOT the S5.
Loaded S5 price lands directly in M3/IS-F/C63 AMG territory. You can get a decently loaded M3/IS-F/C63 for 59K.
#36
Cost is irrelevant. German cars cost more, and Lexus is a cheap luxury brand. Also, to those who keep screaming V6 vs V8, that's irrelevant as well.
#37
That makes your entire comparison irrelevant.
#38
#39
A car costing a little more than another doesn't knock it out of the same sector. In the case of the IS, not having a coupe yet--doesn't exclude it from competing with the 335 Sedan because the 335 coupe is available. Engines are irrelevant because it's up to the manufacturer on what they choose to put in their car. The IS could have had a similar powered V8 put it in it, but Toyota decided to go with a V6. The fact that Audi used a newly designed V8 instead of the old TT V6 doesn't exclude it from competing with the V6 IS350. If the Audi had a 400hp newly designed TT V6 you would be screaming the same nonsense about not being competitors!
There is a 14K base price difference between an S5 and an IS350. If the IS350 and 335i had the same base price as the S5, then I might agree with you.
You have not explained AT ALL how the S5 competes in the entry-level luxury class with the 335i and IS350. Is it simply because it's badged an Audi and it has 4 wheels?
Using your logic, the LS600h competes with the 528i and it's irrelevant that the LS is a much bigger car, and the cost difference is also irrelevant between the two. BMW also could have put a V8 hybrid into the 528i, but chose to put in an I6 engine instead.
Let me state this clearly: the A5/A4 DO compete with the IS350 and 335i, but the S5/S4 DO NOT because they ARE NOT entry-level luxury cars.
#41
I've driven the S5 and all I can say is "My God!"
That car is unbelievable. Not for any one thing, but for all of them. Interior is gorgeous, outside, the lines are perfect. LED everything, and handling with quattro, and strong V8. If I had the money I'd own one.
Disclaimer: I did come from an A4 before this and still have love for the german car.
That car is unbelievable. Not for any one thing, but for all of them. Interior is gorgeous, outside, the lines are perfect. LED everything, and handling with quattro, and strong V8. If I had the money I'd own one.
Disclaimer: I did come from an A4 before this and still have love for the german car.
#43
Car models aren't competitive based solely on number of cylinders. Every car companies breakdown of the model ladder is different. Let me illustrate:
A5 vs IS250
S5 vs IS350
RS5 vs IS-F
328 vs IS250
335 vs IS350
M3 vs IS-F
C300 vs IS250
C350 vs IS350
C63 vs IS-F
Your IS350 is king of the road in your own dreams. God forbid you pull up next to one of the competition.
The only competitor the IS350 is faster than MAY BE the C350, but I don't have any numbers on it.
A5 vs IS250
S5 vs IS350
RS5 vs IS-F
328 vs IS250
335 vs IS350
M3 vs IS-F
C300 vs IS250
C350 vs IS350
C63 vs IS-F
Your IS350 is king of the road in your own dreams. God forbid you pull up next to one of the competition.
The only competitor the IS350 is faster than MAY BE the C350, but I don't have any numbers on it.
#44
A car costing a little more than another doesn't knock it out of the same sector. In the case of the IS, not having a coupe yet--doesn't exclude it from competing with the 335 Sedan because the 335 coupe is available. Engines are irrelevant because it's up to the manufacturer on what they choose to put in their car. The IS could have had a similar powered V8 put it in it, but Toyota decided to go with a V6. The fact that Audi used a newly designed V8 instead of the old TT V6 doesn't exclude it from competing with the V6 IS350. If the Audi had a 400hp newly designed TT V6 you would be screaming the same nonsense about not being competitors!
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