Is there going to be a GS-F as well?
03-05-08, 11:27 AM
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Thats because the E26 M1 was considered a race car that was not practical for every day use. Great track car though..
In the 80's E28 M5 was first followed by M6 and E30 M3.. Lexus seems to be following this pattern (but are slow at it) by not producing multiple F cars all at once.
The M3 came and has evolved for 25 years. It was only M3/M5 until recently with the addition of the M6.
03-05-08, 11:32 AM
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Thats because the E26 M1 was considered a race car that was not practical for every day use. Great track car though..
In the 80's E28 M5 was first followed by M6 and E30 M3.. Lexus seems to be following this pattern (but are slow at it) by not producing multiple F cars all at once.
In the 80's E28 M5 was first followed by M6 and E30 M3.. Lexus seems to be following this pattern (but are slow at it) by not producing multiple F cars all at once.
Lexus is VERY slow with everything, this is no exception. Their methods work. Do you know how tough it is to be the only true Japanese luxury maker and then one that comes out with a "F" line against very very established German players?
All the while, your (Lexus) image is staid and devoid of character to the masses.
So of course it is going to be slow. Hell the IS-F wasn't even a planned product, it was a "skunkworks" vehicle that got late approval.
03-05-08, 12:00 PM
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03-05-08, 02:01 PM
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Yes there will be a GS-F ... I've heard service techs and mechanics alike talking about it at the dealership, and some were saying they saw it in person ... Supposedly it's going to have 550HP, remember i said supposedly because this is what I HEARD ...
03-05-08, 02:06 PM
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What M6? The 1980s 6 series never was officially a M car.
Lexus is VERY slow with everything, this is no exception. Their methods work. Do you know how tough it is to be the only true Japanese luxury maker and then one that comes out with a "F" line against very very established German players?
All the while, your (Lexus) image is staid and devoid of character to the masses.
So of course it is going to be slow. Hell the IS-F wasn't even a planned product, it was a "skunkworks" vehicle that got late approval.
Lexus is VERY slow with everything, this is no exception. Their methods work. Do you know how tough it is to be the only true Japanese luxury maker and then one that comes out with a "F" line against very very established German players?
All the while, your (Lexus) image is staid and devoid of character to the masses.
So of course it is going to be slow. Hell the IS-F wasn't even a planned product, it was a "skunkworks" vehicle that got late approval.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M6#...CSi.2F.22M6.22
I've seen one in person, person didn't let me drive it though. It was his baby.
03-06-08, 04:33 AM
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Exactly. It takes time. The BMW M1 wasn't exactly a success. The M3 came and has evolved for 25 years. It was only M3/M5 until recently with the addition of the M6.
AMG was SEPERATE to Benz until Benz bought them in the early 1990s and the C32 was produced. So again, they have 16+ years together to exapnd their lineups.
I saw an AMG sales/model chart the other day and its AMAZING how many they sell today, compared to 10 years ago.
AMG was SEPERATE to Benz until Benz bought them in the early 1990s and the C32 was produced. So again, they have 16+ years together to exapnd their lineups.
I saw an AMG sales/model chart the other day and its AMAZING how many they sell today, compared to 10 years ago.
03-06-08, 05:52 AM
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GS-F would definitely take Lexus to a whole new level in the performance game, but I seriously doubt they would ever even consider an ES-F, since the regular ES has never been considered a performance car by any means and is not marketed toward that group of buyers ... It would be interesting though ...
03-06-08, 09:02 AM
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GS-F would definitely take Lexus to a whole new level in the performance game, but I seriously doubt they would ever even consider an ES-F, since the regular ES has never been considered a performance car by any means and is not marketed toward that group of buyers ... It would be interesting though ...
no... no it wouldn't.
03-06-08, 10:18 AM
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GS-F would definitely take Lexus to a whole new level in the performance game, but I seriously doubt they would ever even consider an ES-F, since the regular ES has never been considered a performance car by any means and is not marketed toward that group of buyers ... It would be interesting though ...
03-06-08, 10:23 AM
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LOL when i said it would be interesting, i didn't mean that i would be interested in it. I just meant it would be interesting (funny) to see how Lexus would try to make a grandma car into a sport car 
... It wouldn't be pretty to see grandma flying down the street with 400+hp ES lmao ...
-But once again, it would NEVER happen because the ES is not a performance car in ANY aspect and NEVER will be, I should know I had one, and I blew the engine
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... It wouldn't be pretty to see grandma flying down the street with 400+hp ES lmao ...-But once again, it would NEVER happen because the ES is not a performance car in ANY aspect and NEVER will be, I should know I had one, and I blew the engine
...
03-06-08, 12:00 PM
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LOL when i said it would be interesting, i didn't mean that i would be interested in it. I just meant it would be interesting (funny) to see how Lexus would try to make a grandma car into a sport car ... It wouldn't be pretty to see grandma flying down the street with 400+hp ES lmao ...
-But once again, it would NEVER happen because the ES is not a performance car in ANY aspect and NEVER will be, I should know I had one, and I blew the engine ...
... It wouldn't be pretty to see grandma flying down the street with 400+hp ES lmao ...-But once again, it would NEVER happen because the ES is not a performance car in ANY aspect and NEVER will be, I should know I had one, and I blew the engine
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... Hell, I felt like a grandma in my old ES 