Who really has the worst roads?
03-14-08, 02:04 PM
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Who really has the worst roads?
Every one of us think our local roads has to be the worst or among the worst in the nation right? Well, it seems our local roads here in Honolulu is actually one of the worst in the nation
I always knew it.
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ap...45/1001/NEWS01
I always knew it. http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ap...45/1001/NEWS01
03-14-08, 02:43 PM
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Maile Custodio, owner of Titanium, said 80 percent of her business is created by potholes.
03-14-08, 03:03 PM
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Interesting. Honolulu doesn't get freezing and thawing or road salt either...the primary cause of potholes and road damage.
On the continental U.S., Washington, D.C. and New York City, in my experience, have the worst urban roads. Michigan and Northeastern Ohio, both in the Snow Belt of the Great Lakes, have the overall worst.
On the continental U.S., Washington, D.C. and New York City, in my experience, have the worst urban roads. Michigan and Northeastern Ohio, both in the Snow Belt of the Great Lakes, have the overall worst.
03-14-08, 03:07 PM
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I don't understand why warm places like San Jose, San Diego, LA, and Honolulu have such bad roads. I thought potholes and such are caused by temperature extremes from cold weather.
03-14-08, 03:13 PM
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Expansion of the road compounds due to heat. I have told road engineers here that they have to install finger joints in the roads to avoid this issue, but nothing doing.
In Mexico City, the cracks and potholes aren't due to earthquakes, but the fact that the whole city was built on a lakebed and is sinking (Spanish drained it after they conquered the Aztecs) and that is why the center part of the city gets hit really hard during earthquakes. Even my little 1/4 mile track in Tlalnepantla north of the city has had a dip near the end of the track that we have had to fill in twice in almost 4 years of operation (actually in the right lane where I am racing out of in my avatar to the left).
In Mexico City, the cracks and potholes aren't due to earthquakes, but the fact that the whole city was built on a lakebed and is sinking (Spanish drained it after they conquered the Aztecs) and that is why the center part of the city gets hit really hard during earthquakes. Even my little 1/4 mile track in Tlalnepantla north of the city has had a dip near the end of the track that we have had to fill in twice in almost 4 years of operation (actually in the right lane where I am racing out of in my avatar to the left).
03-14-08, 03:16 PM
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Interesting. Honolulu doesn't get freezing and thawing or road salt either...the primary cause of potholes and road damage.
On the continental U.S., Washington, D.C. and New York City, in my experience, have the worst urban roads. Michigan and Northeastern Ohio, both in the Snow Belt of the Great Lakes, have the overall worst.
On the continental U.S., Washington, D.C. and New York City, in my experience, have the worst urban roads. Michigan and Northeastern Ohio, both in the Snow Belt of the Great Lakes, have the overall worst.
It is purely the LACK of maintenance. Remember, we are not exactly a rich state. We have deferred maintenance from 20+ years, plus extremely heavy traffic for such a small ground area.
Also, I'm not sure how the road salt and cold work in other areas since I'm not familiar with that, but every single time it rains here in Hawaii the roads develop pot holes. A lot of it has to do with the rain washing away the fill in old pot holes reopening them, or simply the heavy surface water breaking up the road or under the road causing problems. Pot hole filling and NOT resurfacing was the norm. These are all streets as well, even our freeways have cement chunks coming off.
Here is one reason on why our government has a lack of money. Our City's income is mostly from property taxes as most know. However, even with the higher property values in Hawaii, the actual property tax is fairly low compared to most states. A $600K home pays about $3000 a year in property taxes.
Our public school budges comes from the States General fund as well
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03-14-08, 05:44 PM
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Many of the urban roads here in Oz aren't too bad, especially in the new super duper sub-divisions, however some of the major roads are absolutely atrocious - you wouldn't dare drive over the posted speed limit especially in a lowered car like many of the people here on CL.
03-14-08, 06:02 PM
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When I first transferred out to the bay area from Chicago, the roads were super compared to Illinois. Now they are the pits. Car makers should quit fantasizing over the Nurburgring and come test here. Lexus aren't very quiet here.
03-14-08, 06:21 PM
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Interesting. Honolulu doesn't get freezing and thawing or road salt either...the primary cause of potholes and road damage.
On the continental U.S., Washington, D.C. and New York City, in my experience, have the worst urban roads. Michigan and Northeastern Ohio, both in the Snow Belt of the Great Lakes, have the overall worst.
On the continental U.S., Washington, D.C. and New York City, in my experience, have the worst urban roads. Michigan and Northeastern Ohio, both in the Snow Belt of the Great Lakes, have the overall worst.
