What has happened to Honda?
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Over the last few months we have learned that Acura will officially be starved of RWD platforms, V8 engines, and the NSX. No V8 and no RWD would make discontinuing the RL seem logical, as many had speculated that it would grow larger and morph into a true flagship to distinguish itself from the "lesser" TL. Without a dedicated RWD platform or the appropriate power, this will not be possible.
So, where does the brand go from here?
So, where does the brand go from here?
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Honda, on the other hand, seems to have lost faith in Acura while also making cuts in it's own lineup.
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The difference is that Toyota is showing signs of returning to those former days of glory- IS F, LF A, IS 350, LS 600hL, RX 450h, F Sport parts, forthcoming Toyobaru coupe, renewed and legitimate talk of a midsize sports car, Camry SE V6, and Venza are all either sporty, fun, emotional, dramatic, or showcase vehicles. My point is that thankfully, Toyota is making a drastic turnaround from the outlook we had a few years ago.
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Yes. I've only seen 1 riced out one (giant wing, time attack wheels, fart can).
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I have been cruising through some of the Honda/Acura forums and it's really quite sad how let down and disappointed many of the members are. It seems like many of them grew up on Hondas and want to make the switch to Acura, but have never had a compelling reason to do so. It's like all of them were waiting with baited breath for Acura to follow up on all of their promises of the last few years- V8s, RWD, flagship RL, new NSX- and now that the final nail has been put in the coffin, they're devastated... and understandably so.
One member of TOV put it best:
Acura's main problem: relying too heavily on its strengths to compensate for its weaknesses. Honda/Acura is a company run by engineers and naturally, doesn't like to follow suit with what other automakers are doing. Their ingenuity and innovation has them blindsided and arrogant.
One member of TOV put it best:
Acura's main problem: relying too heavily on its strengths to compensate for its weaknesses. Honda/Acura is a company run by engineers and naturally, doesn't like to follow suit with what other automakers are doing. Their ingenuity and innovation has them blindsided and arrogant.
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Acura's main problem: relying too heavily on its strengths to compensate for its weaknesses. Honda/Acura is a company run by engineers and naturally, doesn't like to follow suit with what other automakers are doing. Their ingenuity and innovation has them blindsided and arrogant.
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True, but the only thing Toyota has that is distinctive is the Prius - and that isn't saying much. The IS lineup, a proven hybrid lineup - unlike Honda's half-baked garbage, and Toyota's committment to RWD in the Lexus lineup is a right step forward - but I do miss the days of the RWD Corolla, Cressida, and Supra.
The Tundra took the Americans on head on.
The FJ Cruiser, quiirky but popular
The highlander/Camry Hybrids do well
The Avalon used to be the only Japanese sedan fighting Buick, now the field is very crowded from the Genesis to the new Maxima.
I've never owned a Toyota or a Honda. I know if I need a truck, I can get a Tundra. Honda has the Ridgeline, horrific and not a real truck.
If the new CEO is as serious as he sounds, Toyota has a good chance of reviving some of that old spirit.
Whats amazing is Honda had some truly fun and sporty cars/lineup. Today its a complete WTF.
-CRX
-Del Sol
-Prelude
-Civic SI (still made)
-Integra/RSX
-NSX
-S2000
Toyota had NOTHING to Honda by the mid 1990s as they gave up in the sport field. Can u believe all those cars but the Civic are canned!!! THe Accord coupe was made to replace the Prelude.
Wow!
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I've never been a Honda fan, but IF -- a big IF -- i had to get a Honda product, it would be the S2k or the previous gen TSX or TL.
I grew up surrounded by Toyotas, Nissans and Mitsubishis, and from what I've seen/read, I could care less what Honda churns out next.
Let the fanbois prop up HoMoCo.
I grew up surrounded by Toyotas, Nissans and Mitsubishis, and from what I've seen/read, I could care less what Honda churns out next.
Let the fanbois prop up HoMoCo.
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