2009 Acura TL thread (merged threads, painted beak)
#316
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I guess it's not that shocking though...maybe just because this is a TL, a car which we all think should be in the entry level class by name.
A GS 350 AWD weighs almost as much as the TL SHAWD but is slightly smaller.
Hopefully this new TL is proof that the RL will be moving significantly upscale, but then again that proves a whole lot of other complexities for their lineup.
TL vs...GS, 5, E, A6? FAIL
TSX vs....IS, 3, C, A4? FAIL AGAIN.
This car is big and heavy enough to make it an outcast from what were it's direct competitors, and even an outcast within it's own stable.
A GS 350 AWD weighs almost as much as the TL SHAWD but is slightly smaller.
Hopefully this new TL is proof that the RL will be moving significantly upscale, but then again that proves a whole lot of other complexities for their lineup.
TL vs...GS, 5, E, A6? FAIL
TSX vs....IS, 3, C, A4? FAIL AGAIN.
This car is big and heavy enough to make it an outcast from what were it's direct competitors, and even an outcast within it's own stable.
Not sure why they think its higher than entry level as the price is square where the IS/3/C/A4 is and those cars can hit near 50k. The Tl has one big big big thing over those cars and that is SIZE. I cannot believe it is now as big/bigger than a RL and 4000 lbs in AWD form. Wow.
#317
Lexus Fanatic
$34000 is an appropriate price in this range.
same price as the Lexus ES
a fully loaded ES runs past $40k too.
bigger car means people can eat more burgers and still fit. win-win.
actually, i take that back. it has grown in length, but that's not really reflected in interior space. there's only an extra inch of rear leg room.
paradoxically, trunk space is small at 13 cuft.
so wtf did all the extra length go? the big *** bumpers? yeah that must be it.
same price as the Lexus ES
a fully loaded ES runs past $40k too.
bigger car means people can eat more burgers and still fit. win-win.
actually, i take that back. it has grown in length, but that's not really reflected in interior space. there's only an extra inch of rear leg room.
paradoxically, trunk space is small at 13 cuft.
so wtf did all the extra length go? the big *** bumpers? yeah that must be it.
Last edited by dunnojack; 08-11-08 at 04:57 AM.
#318
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I don't think this car is overpriced. It offers a LOT more than, especially sh-awd version, the other 'entry' luxury cars like IS, 3, G and even GS.
But whoever does an aftermarket grill will make a killing.
But whoever does an aftermarket grill will make a killing.
#323
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fully loaded SH-AWD is $42k, I can get a fully loaded IS350 higher than that, I dont see whats the shock. SH-AWD is a pretty advanced drivetrain. An IS350 weighs 3600 lbs without AWD, the new TL is 6 inches longer than the old one and its still under 4k pounds with the SH-AWD drivetrain. Numbers are reasonable to me
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#328
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1. Still based off the Accord (like the ES Camry connection)
2. Still built in Ohio
3. Still an old 5 speed auto
4. Still an old engine bumped to 3.7 liters with less power
5. No true push button start
No one can tell the difference between most any AWD system unless they really push the car at the track or the car is out of control on the road. For Acura that means 95% of the time its 70% to the front wheels, 30% to the rear. Audi is 50/50. Lexus/Infiniti is 30/70.
An aftermarket grill won't help b/c IMO, the ENTIRE car is just a huge mess. Its not even adding lipstick to a pig. Its adding LIPS to a pig.
#329
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fully loaded SH-AWD is $42k, I can get a fully loaded IS350 higher than that, I dont see whats the shock. SH-AWD is a pretty advanced drivetrain. An IS350 weighs 3600 lbs without AWD, the new TL is 6 inches longer than the old one and its still under 4k pounds with the SH-AWD drivetrain. Numbers are reasonable to me