MT Comparo: 1) FX35 AWD, 2) X6 xDrive35i AWD
05-22-08, 07:16 PM
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Bit, not true at all. You've posted a pick of a silly modified Civic that is undriveable to begin with. In seriousness, notice the rear wheel camber of that "overloaded" X3. It's already pretty undriveable, and if you drive like this for 1000 miles, you're buying new tires. Civic would suffer from the same thing of course, but not anymore than the X3, since the X3 is based on 3 series suspension, which isnt very tough to begin with, and even without load it already deals with the weight of X3 that it wasn't designed for.
05-22-08, 07:30 PM
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). And the handling (I'm not talking about tracking it, I'm talking about just driving slowly down a road) becomes downright scary quickly.
05-22-08, 09:14 PM
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Perhaps you've never seen or driven a small light sedan/coupe weighed down with a heavy load (can you say headlights pointing at the sky? ). And the handling (I'm not talking about tracking it, I'm talking about just driving slowly down a road) becomes downright scary quickly.
). And the handling (I'm not talking about tracking it, I'm talking about just driving slowly down a road) becomes downright scary quickly.
05-23-08, 03:09 AM
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Bit, not true at all. You've posted a pick of a silly modified Civic that is undriveable to begin with. In seriousness, notice the rear wheel camber of that "overloaded" X3. It's already pretty undriveable, and if you drive like this for 1000 miles, you're buying new tires. Civic would suffer from the same thing of course, but not anymore than the X3, since the X3 is based on 3 series suspension, which isnt very tough to begin with, and even without load it already deals with the weight of X3 that it wasn't designed for.
05-24-08, 08:22 AM
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05-24-08, 08:25 AM
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Again, that is your opinion of what a sporty car should feel like. I may like something completely different. Do you drive in the same manner as I do? Or others? Some would prefer to having slower steering. Vette owners and certainly Porsche owners are constantly bashing BMW for their poor driving feel. Again, would you agree? Not everyone can agree about the same thing and driving feel in a sports car or a limo is completely subjective.
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05-24-08, 12:27 PM
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05-24-08, 12:30 PM
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Please keep the personal commentary and attacks to yourself, we strive for a "community" feel.
05-24-08, 01:45 PM
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For those that are curious, I believe it is about 4,000 miles between my house and Nurburgring (aka "The Ring"). A good portion of that distance is over the Atlantic ocean as well.
05-24-08, 03:36 PM
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Bit, like I was saying before, the same exact thing happens to these cross overs. They are using the same suspension as the sedan they are based on - in the X3's case its lifted 3 series. It gets massive negative camber in the rear once you load it up, resulting in poor traction and steering (front is lifted and front tires get less grip, and rear tires get poor grip because the tire contact path is reduced). For carrying loads is the only situation where a live axle suspension starts to shine, because camber isnt affected by vehicles height.
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