LexFather

GStateOM

Agreed. Since we're talking sports sedans, here are the numbers

Jag XF = 0-60 in 4.9 seconds ; 1/4 mile in 13.4 seconds @ 107 MPH
Benz E550 = 0-60 in 4.8 seconds ; 1/4 mile in 13.4 seconds @ 105 MPH
BMW 550i = 0-60 in 4.8 seconds ; 1/4 mile in 13.3 seconds @ 105 MPH
Lexus GS460 = 0-60 in 5.6 seconds ; 1/4 mile in 14.0 seconds @ 102 MPH

Clearly, performance wise, the competition blows the detuned 4.6 GS out of the water. As a Lexus guy, I'd say its almost embarrassing to look at those numbers and think this is the Lexus alternative to these vehicles. Sure, the GS460 is faster than a GS400, but the distance between the GS460 and its competitors is far greater than the distance between the GS460 and the GS400, a car released in late 1997.

Compare a GS V8 10 years ago to a GS V8 now and you see that it's slightly quicker. However, in the same time frame, all of its competitors have gained significant performance. Heck, even the Camry has caught up in some ways to the GS. Compare a 1998 Camry V6 and a 2008 Camry V6 and it's pretty much in a different world in every aspect.

I know they are different cars made for different people, but still..

LexFather

In those pics the GS influence is clear but the Jag looks leaner and more athletic. I love the Jag rear. Also as the review stated, the GS needs bigger wheels it seems and GET RID OF THE RUN FLATS. The Jag as 20s. It helps the cars looks.

Och

iTrader: (3)

Did BMW update the engine in 550? I don't think its capable of running anywhere near these times.

STIG

The new Jag looks amazing in the pictures. Looks brilliant, I thought, until I saw one on the road.

The car just doesn't stand out very much, and it's pretty blend.

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

I don't get the GS460. Quieter but not much faster (if at all? ) than the GS350, yet probably not as quiet as the GS450h. Besides V8 sound, what does it offer over GS350 or GS450h?

UDel

If that number was credible in Car and Driver or Road and Track (forgot which one) then the GS460 is actually somehow not as quick as the GS350. The GS350AWD reportedly did 0-60 in 5.3 seconds in one test which was a good deal faster then the 430 and the 5.6 seconds for the 460. I still have trouble believing the GS350 achieved that time considering power/weight while a larger v8 with 40 more hp and more torque and a 8 speed is not as quick but it still begs the question why would you pay a bunch more for the 460 if it is slower then the GS350 and the 350 gets better mileage. I don't understand why Lexus detuned the LS motor for the GS460 especially when the GS is supposed to be sportier and more performance oriented but then again I have never understood why often many v6 Toyota sedans have more hp then v6 Lexus sedans.

The reviewers also seemed to think 8 speeds was kind of overkill and unnecessary in the GS and it may have achieved better acceleration numbers with a 6 speed auto.

LexFather

It seems we figured out that the dual intakes on the LS 460 are simply to big to fit in the GS 460. The GS 460 has a single intake similar to the 430. This really hurt power.

The 8 speed seems to be hunting for gears, which is not a problem I've read in the LS. I wish the IS-F tranny changes made it to the GS. Also I totally agreee "WHERE ARE THE PADDLE SHIFTERS"?????

While a very good car, Lexus did not hit a home run with the 3GS. I am only hope and assume they are well aware of this and the 4GS will really take things up.

It does seem the GS 350 GS 450h and GS 460's performance are way to similar. The GS 460 gaining over 200lbs didn't help.

bagwell

I still like the GS for its rock solid reliability compared to these (no matter how good the others warranties are).

Price as tested
2008 BMW 550i $69,670
2009 Jaguar XF SC $65,475
2008 Lexus GS 460 $62,245
2008 Mercedes- Benz E550 $70,305

whlkev

wow, the side profile of the Jag looks too similar to the GS

GSteg

iTrader: (15)

I too wonder why lexus did not boost power on the GS460. Many speculated that Lexus did not want the GS460 to take away the LS460's sales. I think that's ridiculous to say. A little history of the GS vs LS:

98-00 GS400: 300hp/310ftlbs
98-00 LS400: 290hp/290ftlbs

01-05 GS430: 300hp/325ftlbs
01-05 LS430: 290hp/320ftlbs

Yet the LS manages to outsell the GS. I dobt buy that arugment that Lexus did not want the GS460 to take away the LS460's sale.

And I do think 8spd is overkill. Yes you're in the optimal powerband more often, but you also have more shifts to go through and that adds up time unless it shifts as quick as the IS-F.

GSteg

iTrader: (15)

Would that really cause a drop of 38hp/28ftlbs? I'm sure Lexus could have squeeze that much out by revising the intake.

rominl

iTrader: (4)

i have been wondering too, i doubt just the intake design accounts for that 40hp loss? that's a lot of power. no matter what imho there is no excuse for the sub-par performance of the gs460. like paul said, it doesn't really offer much above the gs350 and gs450h

i doubt the paddle shifters are going to make their ways to the gs too, unless it's the gs-f. it's lexus (that's a problem). i haven't driven the gs460, but i didn't have much issues on the ls460 8 speed though. in fact the gear selection was always very good imho, far better than my gs400 and sc430

rominl

iTrader: (4)

i don't buy the LS sales argument neither. the two cars are in different leagues. what they offer in the ls460, you can't come close in the gs460 at all. people looking for stuff on the ls460, they won't really look at the gs460 even if it has the same power

carguy101

Toyota should stop f'in around and just put the 5.0 in the GS and the LS.

GS500 .... LS500


For one thing, those names simply sound much better and just roll off the tongue.