MT Luxury Sport Sedan Comparison
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Jag XF = 0-60 in 4.9 seconds ; 1/4 mile in 13.4 seconds @ 107 MPH
Benz E550 = 0-60 in 4.8 seconds ; 1/4 mile in 13.4 seconds @ 105 MPH
BMW 550i = 0-60 in 4.8 seconds ; 1/4 mile in 13.3 seconds @ 105 MPH
Lexus GS460 = 0-60 in 5.6 seconds ; 1/4 mile in 14.0 seconds @ 102 MPH
Clearly, performance wise, the competition blows the detuned 4.6 GS out of the water. As a Lexus guy, I'd say its almost embarrassing to look at those numbers and think this is the Lexus alternative to these vehicles. Sure, the GS460 is faster than a GS400, but the distance between the GS460 and its competitors is far greater than the distance between the GS460 and the GS400, a car released in late 1997.
Compare a GS V8 10 years ago to a GS V8 now and you see that it's slightly quicker. However, in the same time frame, all of its competitors have gained significant performance. Heck, even the Camry has caught up in some ways to the GS. Compare a 1998 Camry V6 and a 2008 Camry V6 and it's pretty much in a different world in every aspect.
I know they are different cars made for different people, but still..
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I don't get the GS460. Quieter but not much faster (if at all?
) than the GS350, yet probably not as quiet as the GS450h. Besides V8 sound, what does it offer over GS350 or GS450h?
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The reviewers also seemed to think 8 speeds was kind of overkill and unnecessary in the GS and it may have achieved better acceleration numbers with a 6 speed auto.
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It seems we figured out that the dual intakes on the LS 460 are simply to big to fit in the GS 460. The GS 460 has a single intake similar to the 430. This really hurt power.
The 8 speed seems to be hunting for gears, which is not a problem I've read in the LS. I wish the IS-F tranny changes made it to the GS. Also I totally agreee "WHERE ARE THE PADDLE SHIFTERS"?????
While a very good car, Lexus did not hit a home run with the 3GS. I am only hope and assume they are well aware of this and the 4GS will really take things up.
It does seem the GS 350 GS 450h and GS 460's performance are way to similar. The GS 460 gaining over 200lbs didn't help.
The 8 speed seems to be hunting for gears, which is not a problem I've read in the LS. I wish the IS-F tranny changes made it to the GS. Also I totally agreee "WHERE ARE THE PADDLE SHIFTERS"?????
While a very good car, Lexus did not hit a home run with the 3GS. I am only hope and assume they are well aware of this and the 4GS will really take things up.
It does seem the GS 350 GS 450h and GS 460's performance are way to similar. The GS 460 gaining over 200lbs didn't help.
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I still like the GS for its rock solid reliability compared to these (no matter how good the others warranties are).
Price as tested
2008 BMW 550i $69,670
2009 Jaguar XF SC $65,475
2008 Lexus GS 460 $62,245
2008 Mercedes- Benz E550 $70,305
Price as tested
2008 BMW 550i $69,670
2009 Jaguar XF SC $65,475
2008 Lexus GS 460 $62,245
2008 Mercedes- Benz E550 $70,305
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I don't understand why Lexus detuned the LS motor for the GS460 especially when the GS is supposed to be sportier and more performance oriented but then again I have never understood why often many v6 Toyota sedans have more hp then v6 Lexus sedans.
The reviewers also seemed to think 8 speeds was kind of overkill and unnecessary in the GS and it may have achieved better acceleration numbers with a 6 speed auto.
The reviewers also seemed to think 8 speeds was kind of overkill and unnecessary in the GS and it may have achieved better acceleration numbers with a 6 speed auto.
I too wonder why lexus did not boost power on the GS460. Many speculated that Lexus did not want the GS460 to take away the LS460's sales. I think that's ridiculous to say. A little history of the GS vs LS:
98-00 GS400: 300hp/310ftlbs
98-00 LS400: 290hp/290ftlbs
01-05 GS430: 300hp/325ftlbs
01-05 LS430: 290hp/320ftlbs
Yet the LS manages to outsell the GS. I dobt buy that arugment that Lexus did not want the GS460 to take away the LS460's sale.
And I do think 8spd is overkill. Yes you're in the optimal powerband more often, but you also have more shifts to go through and that adds up time unless it shifts as quick as the IS-F.
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It seems we figured out that the dual intakes on the LS 460 are simply to big to fit in the GS 460. The GS 460 has a single intake similar to the 430. This really hurt power.
The 8 speed seems to be hunting for gears, which is not a problem I've read in the LS. I wish the IS-F tranny changes made it to the GS. Also I totally agreee "WHERE ARE THE PADDLE SHIFTERS"?????
While a very good car, Lexus did not hit a home run with the 3GS. I am only hope and assume they are well aware of this and the 4GS will really take things up.
It does seem the GS 350 GS 450h and GS 460's performance are way to similar. The GS 460 gaining over 200lbs didn't help.
The 8 speed seems to be hunting for gears, which is not a problem I've read in the LS. I wish the IS-F tranny changes made it to the GS. Also I totally agreee "WHERE ARE THE PADDLE SHIFTERS"?????
While a very good car, Lexus did not hit a home run with the 3GS. I am only hope and assume they are well aware of this and the 4GS will really take things up.
It does seem the GS 350 GS 450h and GS 460's performance are way to similar. The GS 460 gaining over 200lbs didn't help.
i doubt the paddle shifters are going to make their ways to the gs too, unless it's the gs-f. it's lexus (that's a problem). i haven't driven the gs460, but i didn't have much issues on the ls460 8 speed though. in fact the gear selection was always very good imho, far better than my gs400 and sc430
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I too wonder why lexus did not boost power on the GS460. Many speculated that Lexus did not want the GS460 to take away the LS460's sales. I think that's ridiculous to say. A little history of the GS vs LS:
98-00 GS400: 300hp/310ftlbs
98-00 LS400: 290hp/290ftlbs
01-05 GS430: 300hp/325ftlbs
01-05 LS430: 290hp/320ftlbs
Yet the LS manages to outsell the GS. I dobt buy that arugment that Lexus did not want the GS460 to take away the LS460's sale.
And I do think 8spd is overkill. Yes you're in the optimal powerband more often, but you also have more shifts to go through and that adds up time unless it shifts as quick as the IS-F.
98-00 GS400: 300hp/310ftlbs
98-00 LS400: 290hp/290ftlbs
01-05 GS430: 300hp/325ftlbs
01-05 LS430: 290hp/320ftlbs
Yet the LS manages to outsell the GS. I dobt buy that arugment that Lexus did not want the GS460 to take away the LS460's sale.
And I do think 8spd is overkill. Yes you're in the optimal powerband more often, but you also have more shifts to go through and that adds up time unless it shifts as quick as the IS-F.