J.D. Power Initial Quality Survey (IQS) 2008 results
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I don't think BMW has scored high in the IQS survey for a long time. Of course remember, this survey includes things like brake dust on the wheels and 227 other strange questions. As mentioned, unless you are keeping the car for 90 days, what's the point?
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As for these stupid 90 day surveys, I just want to laugh... ![Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
Show me the shape of a car in 5, 10, 15 years from now and you got yourself quality results.
Even the very worst of cars have very, very few issues in the first 90 days.
Working at a dealer I have the opportunity to see all the makes and models come through our doors through trades and see first hand which ones hold up the best with years and mileage.
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Show me the shape of a car in 5, 10, 15 years from now and you got yourself quality results.
Even the very worst of cars have very, very few issues in the first 90 days.
Working at a dealer I have the opportunity to see all the makes and models come through our doors through trades and see first hand which ones hold up the best with years and mileage.
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Read the forums for specific models both here on CL and elsewhere, and you'll see that A LOT of people come on with problems/issues within the 1st 90 days of ownership. IMO it's a vaild timing for a survey, as is after a longer period of ownership.
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Sure, the survery has some validity. But most people really don't have more than 1 or 2 small issues with their new cars. I read numerous forums (mostly Toyota and Honda) and buyers more than often report NO problems at all in the first couple of years and up to 60K.
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The 90 day survey has some meaning, but I think the more meaningful survey
is the 3 year or longer survey... The only use for the IQS is to figure
out which limones to avoid down at the bottom
is the 3 year or longer survey... The only use for the IQS is to figure
out which limones to avoid down at the bottom
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Scion and Lexus are part of the same company as are many other companies with a fairly significant separation in overall quality of design, materials, and assembly.
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Not saying that long term durability will match Toyota and Honda but neither does Mercedes.
I've recently had the unfortunate chance to explore and drive a 2001 MB S430with only 90K on it and I have to say it's one of the worst built cars I've ever seen. I had always liked these cars but when I finally drove one I was extremely dissappointed. Felt like it was held together with Elmers glue! How could this be with the "standard of the world"?
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I've recently had the unfortunate chance to explore and drive a 2001 MB S430with only 90K on it and I have to say it's one of the worst built cars I've ever seen. I had always liked these cars but when I finally drove one I was extremely dissappointed. Felt like it was held together with Elmers glue! How could this be with the "standard of the world"?
But, despite cost-cutting and the general unreliability of their electronics and hardware, there are still some areas today where Mercedes takes extraordinary precautions to do things well.....such as in the hand-built and certification process of their AMG engines, and chassis engineering that is probably second only to BMW.
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