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Old 06-10-08 | 10:13 AM
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THIS is a viable solution with SOLAR!
Now get the price right!

If a car that gets 100 miles per gallon of gasoline sounds like a driver's futile fantasy, think again.

Scientists at the National Renewable Energy Laboratory in Golden are testing a spruced-up Toyota Prius, a plug-in hybrid sedan complete with a solar panel attached to its oval roof and a bigger battery in the trunk to supply power in lieu of the gasoline-fueled engine.

The result: A spunky Prius that runs the initial 60 miles mostly on battery, adding up to a fuel mileage of 100 miles per gallon.

"The stored power in the battery does a great job of displacing petroleum," said Tony Markel, a senior engineer at NREL who has been working on the 2006 model Prius for the past two years. "For most people, their daily commute is about 30 miles, so this car would run virtually on battery and only need to be recharged at night."

Displacing petroleum is a desirable virtue today, as the nation battles global warming and skyrocketing fuel prices.

On Monday, Colorado's average price for regular, unleaded gasoline hit a record high at $3.943 a gallon, nearly 70 cents higher than the $3.258 a year earlier.

But the spruced-up Prius doesn't come cheap.

The lithium-ion battery, which can be recharged using a standard electrical outlet at home or even at the workplace, has a price tag of $40,000. And the solar panel on the roof cost $2,500.

All told, the car adds up to almost $70,000 - but as NREL says, it's only a unique research model at this point.

And if the car runs at more than 35 miles per hour, the gas engine comes to life to supply more power and consumption goes up.

Detroit automakers are interested in NREL's research, Markel said, adding that the goal is to bring down cost. Xcel Energy, Colorado's biggest utility, also is keen about vehicle-to-grid technology, which would have car batteries supply excess electricity during hours of peak demand.

Although NREL has yet to determine the experimental Prius' payoff time, it could improve with biofuels such as ethanol or biodiesel.

NREL says that light, plug-in hybrid vehicles could cut in half the demand for fuel, making it practical to use E-85 - a blend of 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline. Also, the fuel cost savings could amount to more than $500 per vehicle a year.

"I think high energy prices are here to stay, and to go even higher," said Bryant Gimlin, energy risk manager of Gray Oil & Gas, a diesel and gasoline wholesaler. "It will not only encourage new technologies such as plug-in hybrids but make them more price effective."

"But it will take a number of years to do that and make a serious dent on oil consumption," Gimlin added.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/new...-miles-gallon/
Not total EV, SOLAR!
Old 06-10-08 | 10:20 AM
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dang cpone, good post -- I thought you were 100% against EV's??

you still have to charge this one at night...didn't you say that's a no-no?
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I am not 100% against them.
I just do not find them as a viable solution overall for everyone like you and Sens4miles does.
I love hybrids but I love more a SOLAR hybrid. With the technology moving more towards Solar completely, possibly.

They just need to be more affordable and make sense $$$ wise.
If I am only going to save 10 dollars per fill up, it doesn't add up $$ wise to buy a hybrid. Not everyone buys used cars either.

If I cannot charge my car in 5 minutes at the station then another solution has to be found. Solar Panels could be one. I have mentioned another with possible having SWAPPABLE batteries at stations. Where you run out of juice, you pull in pay 30 bucks or something to swap out the battery in the back and the station charges your battery for someone else. You pull away with a full battery and off you go.

THAT is a solution that would work, but would have to involve all manufacturers making a similar design in battery technology and battery release of some sort.

I like the prospects for Fuel Cells but it needs more work.
Desalinization plants need more work as well. We have Salt Water all over the damn place, figure out a way to use it, Cheaply and efficiently.


And yes Charing a car at night is NOT a 100% solution.
A solution is 100%. An alternative is a 50-50. I want solutions. I don't work in probables.

I've said this before.
Not everyone has garages.
Putting a plug in every parking space in a city is just NUTS, expensive beyond belief and our power grid can barely handle AC's coming on when people get home from work. Add in 15 Million cars all plugged in at 6pm and you have a serious issue. Summer or Winter.
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there is no 100% solution to our current problems....either it will be too expensive, too environmentally degrading, too inconvenient, too slow, too something...

100% soultions are rare unless you live in a fantasy world.
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Originally Posted by bagwell
there is no 100% solution to our current problems....either it will be too expensive, too environmentally degrading, too inconvenient, too slow, too something...

100% soultions are rare unless you live in a fantasy world.
100% solutions are possible.
Oil was able to do it.
Just need to use those upper level brain functions more often.
Old 06-12-08 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by cpone
100% solutions are possible.
Oil was able to do it.
Just need to use those upper level brain functions more often.
gasoline stinks and pollutes too much..

now I just ruined your perception of oil as a 100% solution
Old 06-12-08 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by bagwell
gasoline stinks and pollutes too much..
now I just ruined your perception of oil as a 100% solution
Not any longer. In urban areas at least, most new cars put out exhaust that is cleaner than what went in!

Gasoline is STILL cheaper, provides more energy, and is proven.

Hybrids/solar, etc. are expensive, heavy, and reduce cargo space.

Loved this comment on the OP link:
So, all you have to do is pay $70,000 for a car that is almost as good as a Saturn Ion that costs $18,000. At $500 a year, providing you don't drive over 35 mph, it will only take 84 years to recover your investment, ignoring opportunity costs. Like asking third world people to starve so we can use corn for fuel, we are asking people to pay movie star prices for transportation.
Old 06-12-08 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
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So, all you have to do is pay $70,000 for a car that is almost as good as a Saturn Ion that costs $18,000. At $500 a year, providing you don't drive over 35 mph, it will only take 84 years to recover your investment, ignoring opportunity costs. Like asking third world people to starve so we can use corn for fuel, we are asking people to pay movie star prices for transportation.
gee, that's a VERY realistic comparison.....
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The result: A spunky Prius that runs the initial 60 miles mostly on battery, adding up to a fuel mileage of 100 miles per gallon.
Anyone else notice this? This "combined" 100mpg rating assumes the initial 60 miles are run on battery, therefore using no gasoline.
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More smoke. Just like the constant talking point by the left that ANWR oil will only last 6 months when what they don't say is that is based on how much oil is assumed to be there AND if that were the ONLY source of oil for the U.S. Screw the caribou - drill for oil!
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