2009 Porsche 911 Turns Fast Times on the 'Ring
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2009 Porsche 911 Turns Fast Times on the 'Ring
Porsche says its twin-clutch-equipped 2009 911 Carrera S lapped the Nürburgring Nordschleife in 7:50.
A six-speed manual-equipped 2009 911 ran 8 seconds slower.
STUTTGART, Germany — Nissan's 2009 GT-R supercar showed its mettle on the famed Nürburgring Nordschleife race circuit with a 7 minute, 29 second lap time, and GM was eager to boast about the 2009 Cadillac CTS-V's recent 7:59 run, too. But Porsche has kept a lower profile, only now posting new 2009 911 lap times at a media event in Germany.
According to a Porsche display, the German automaker timed three different 911s for comparison. The fastest was a 2009 911 Carrera S outfitted with Porsche's new twin-clutch automated manual Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) transmission, PASM (Porsche Active Suspension Management) Sport, and "sports tires," turning a 7:50 lap time.
Next was a 2009 Porsche 911 Carrera S (presumably with manual transmission) turning a 7:58. Four seconds slower was a current 911 Carrera S (presumably equipped comparably to the 2009 manual car), turning an 8:02.
Porsche says the PDK shifts 60 percent faster than the former Tiptronic S automatic, and offers a small improvement in fuel economy over the six-speed manual-equipped 911.
What this means to you: Faster 'round the 'Ring than the previous 911, but still smoked by the GT-R. — Kelly Toepke, News Editor
According to a Porsche display, the German automaker timed three different 911s for comparison. The fastest was a 2009 911 Carrera S outfitted with Porsche's new twin-clutch automated manual Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) transmission, PASM (Porsche Active Suspension Management) Sport, and "sports tires," turning a 7:50 lap time.
Next was a 2009 Porsche 911 Carrera S (presumably with manual transmission) turning a 7:58. Four seconds slower was a current 911 Carrera S (presumably equipped comparably to the 2009 manual car), turning an 8:02.
Porsche says the PDK shifts 60 percent faster than the former Tiptronic S automatic, and offers a small improvement in fuel economy over the six-speed manual-equipped 911.
What this means to you: Faster 'round the 'Ring than the previous 911, but still smoked by the GT-R. — Kelly Toepke, News Editor
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The 911 have always had a high starting price. It's the price you pay for driving a 911. They have great reputations in terms of overall engineering, reliablity/durability, resale value, etc. Also the two cars, imo, appeal to different groups. Obviously the import fanatic will love the GT-R and will probably mod it. While there's the older laid back driver that buys the 911 Carrera as a weekend car or even as a daily driver. No modding, but just enjoying the overall experience that can only be had with a 911.
This reminds of a similar situation that I saw on the show "AutoCar." (A UK Car Review Show) They had the 997 GT2 against the Corvette C6 Z06. Obviously the GT2 won over the Z06. Both a similar in weight, but the numbers show it all. The 997 GT2 has 530hp/505ft/lbs. torque and the Corvette C6 Z06 has 505hp/470ft/lbs. torque. As you see the numbers show it all. Not that I didn't enjoy watching how close the two cars were in terms of performance, but it wasn't shocking to see the GT2 pull away from the Z06.
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I agree with you here. Even with the price difference, if I had the money, I would take the 911 S, with an old-fashioned three pedal stick shift, no doubt. Now if the GT-R had a manual, I would think about it.
My point is that driving a sports car is all about driver engagement, and thus factors other than just lap times and horsepower come into play, for me at least.
My point is that driving a sports car is all about driver engagement, and thus factors other than just lap times and horsepower come into play, for me at least.
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Now in my Miata, the 6 speed stick is a blast.
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As a matter of fact: Yes, to both. I have a 400-hp LS2 Corvette with a six speed manual, and I have driven the 505-hp Z06 version that comes only with a stick shift as well.
I agree that your point about banging through the gears very fast is valid for a quarter mile run, and for an impromptu redlight to red light grand prix, but on a road course, or even a spirited drive across a mountain road, I'd still enjoy the stick more.
The Miata of course is a delightfully balanced car, and perhaps would any of these more powerful cars a run for the money on a very tight course where flickability would be more important.
I agree that your point about banging through the gears very fast is valid for a quarter mile run, and for an impromptu redlight to red light grand prix, but on a road course, or even a spirited drive across a mountain road, I'd still enjoy the stick more.
The Miata of course is a delightfully balanced car, and perhaps would any of these more powerful cars a run for the money on a very tight course where flickability would be more important.
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I agree with you here. Even with the price difference, if I had the money, I would take the 911 S, with an old-fashioned three pedal stick shift, no doubt. Now if the GT-R had a manual, I would think about it.
My point is that driving a sports car is all about driver engagement, and thus factors other than just lap times and horsepower come into play, for me at least.
My point is that driving a sports car is all about driver engagement, and thus factors other than just lap times and horsepower come into play, for me at least.
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its funny when people complain about some car not having manual when most likely they cant even drive a high powered car effectively to give a damn about wanting said car in manual in the first place. I know I cant drive a high powered car in stick.