EPIC Thread. Homeowner vs HOA and Arizona Parking Solutions! Boot me, I move car!
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This was a good read and I'm interested to hear what happened.
I think the guy is very logically sound in his actions.
Yes technically he broke the rules by forgetting to display his tag, but they are very familiar with his car which is easy to pick out of a crowd and has been there for months.
So since he got screwed by a technicality, he wanted to get back at them with a technicality as well... by not breaking any rules but holding their boots hostage until they removed them for free. As an isolated case it sounds like he's being an ***, until you realize that he's only being an *** in response to them treating him poorly first.
The entire situation sounds very bad... that was a terrible decision on the part of the HOA to allow that company to basically make more $$ the more boots they passed out to people. I mean of course if that company is raking in more cash the more citations they hand out then they're going to be tempted to go overboard with it... and in this case they did. It's really not unlike what happens in a lot of small towns that get addicted to making the majority of the town's income on writing speeding tickets to unsuspecting out of towners. Except in this case it's worse because it's on private property, it's a private company (imagine if the entire US police force was a privately held company that stood to profit from writing infractions!), and also instead of just writing tickets, they're booting the cars, which is a serious safety issue in the case of an emergency and can present issues with maintaining employment all because you parked on the line.
I think the guy is very logically sound in his actions.
Yes technically he broke the rules by forgetting to display his tag, but they are very familiar with his car which is easy to pick out of a crowd and has been there for months.
So since he got screwed by a technicality, he wanted to get back at them with a technicality as well... by not breaking any rules but holding their boots hostage until they removed them for free. As an isolated case it sounds like he's being an ***, until you realize that he's only being an *** in response to them treating him poorly first.
The entire situation sounds very bad... that was a terrible decision on the part of the HOA to allow that company to basically make more $$ the more boots they passed out to people. I mean of course if that company is raking in more cash the more citations they hand out then they're going to be tempted to go overboard with it... and in this case they did. It's really not unlike what happens in a lot of small towns that get addicted to making the majority of the town's income on writing speeding tickets to unsuspecting out of towners. Except in this case it's worse because it's on private property, it's a private company (imagine if the entire US police force was a privately held company that stood to profit from writing infractions!), and also instead of just writing tickets, they're booting the cars, which is a serious safety issue in the case of an emergency and can present issues with maintaining employment all because you parked on the line.
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well, i'm amused
good on him for making a point tho ... that's one of those things where most people often say 'some one should stand up to / do something about ____' but no one ever does
good on him for making a point tho ... that's one of those things where most people often say 'some one should stand up to / do something about ____' but no one ever does
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This booting of cars was out of control in my area and not just HOA, it was also public areas in and around downtown.
The City Council just fixed it by enacting new code that makes the cost equal to ...drum roll please....that you would have to pay for any general parking ticket handled by police..
Here the boot was 100 bucks to get rid of. Now it is 35. And if you show up while person is at your car it's 17 bucks. And they must give you 20 minutes to go to and from an ATM.
Approach your town council or county council/commission and ask they enact same.
The City Council just fixed it by enacting new code that makes the cost equal to ...drum roll please....that you would have to pay for any general parking ticket handled by police..
Here the boot was 100 bucks to get rid of. Now it is 35. And if you show up while person is at your car it's 17 bucks. And they must give you 20 minutes to go to and from an ATM.
Approach your town council or county council/commission and ask they enact same.
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This thread is really interesting. I'm eager to see what happens next!
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I live in a development where the HOA has very little clout except if you don't pay a bill, then a property gets a lien (eventually).
So because the HOA has no clout, people get away with stuff that bugs me, violating deed restrictions all over the place.
I've been on the board for a couple of years (this year I got suckered into doing the thankless job of treasurer) but this month they re-elect the board and I'm done. Now I can just be one of those residents that writes letters to the board about violations.
So because the HOA has no clout, people get away with stuff that bugs me, violating deed restrictions all over the place.
I've been on the board for a couple of years (this year I got suckered into doing the thankless job of treasurer) but this month they re-elect the board and I'm done. Now I can just be one of those residents that writes letters to the board about violations.
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When you guys get the shirts, give me some feedback on how they look, I've never even ordered from CafePress myself. Quality, colors, inks, etc.
That said, I updated the design a bit to say "A C/L SAGA" at the top. Also came up with a design for light colored shirts, and included some color options in the shop. The way it works is, the design you get is driven by the color of shirt you choose. Kind of screwy, but oh well.
Here is the link: https://www.cafepress.com/cp/m...486_0
For the dark shirts:
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For the light shirts:
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Originally Posted by the a1 and a2 german
hello kiddies!
i am dolly man!!!
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wow! I don't what to say guys! Thanx for everything! I am so glad this has gone this route! I am very appreciative for every ones support, and feel fantastic this is making a difference! Props for the t-shirts! Props for spreading the word! Props for the search engines! I hope this case highlights what is being done and what needs to be stopped! I want to know where that extra $50 went over the contracted $90!
I will be walking the community again tonight, and photographing, i hope last night just wasn't a fluke and will post. However you'll here from me again before hand. I have not been contacted yet by the media, yet! However! I may post all local broadcasters e-mails! And see where the public gos with this.
-mr johnson, after you file those tps reports can you check the e-mails?
-um, sir, i think there's something you need to see, 3,567 e-mails regarding hum..... Boots? Head? Schmuck? Something else about *****?
-yeeeahhhhhhh, i thinkkkkkkk yourreee goingggg toooo haveeee tooo comeeee innnn saturadayyyyyy tooooo readdd theseeeeee, yeahhh, thattttt wouldddddd beeeee greatttttt, yeahhhh.
Stay tuned for next update, which will include shasta pools remarks!
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wow! I don't what to say guys! Thanx for everything! I am so glad this has gone this route! I am very appreciative for every ones support, and feel fantastic this is making a difference! Props for the t-shirts! Props for spreading the word! Props for the search engines! I hope this case highlights what is being done and what needs to be stopped! I want to know where that extra $50 went over the contracted $90!
I will be walking the community again tonight, and photographing, i hope last night just wasn't a fluke and will post. However you'll here from me again before hand. I have not been contacted yet by the media, yet! However! I may post all local broadcasters e-mails! And see where the public gos with this.
-mr johnson, after you file those tps reports can you check the e-mails?
-um, sir, i think there's something you need to see, 3,567 e-mails regarding hum..... Boots? Head? Schmuck? Something else about *****?
-yeeeahhhhhhh, i thinkkkkkkk yourreee goingggg toooo haveeee tooo comeeee innnn saturadayyyyyy tooooo readdd theseeeeee, yeahhh, thattttt wouldddddd beeeee greatttttt, yeahhhh.
Stay tuned for next update, which will include shasta pools remarks!
Originally Posted by the a1 and a2 german
hello kiddies! Some thing has changed for the better!
so the shasta pool's owner's son calls me, guess what the fee has gone to:
$40
woot! Woot! Woot! Woot!
He should not be booted at all, not even cited, possiably not even a warning! 2"s on the white line! Not even crossing it! And the back peddaling!
I am dolly man!
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so the shasta pool's owner's son calls me, guess what the fee has gone to:
$40
woot! Woot! Woot! Woot!
He should not be booted at all, not even cited, possiably not even a warning! 2"s on the white line! Not even crossing it! And the back peddaling!
I am dolly man!
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Originally Posted by bill1975
i just got done scrolling through the whole thread, to get a list of all the sites and forums where this has been cross posted. If you have any corrections or updates, post a link and i will edit this post!
official listing of reposts, crossposts, and links
http://www.rx7club.com
http://forums.nasioc.com/forum...39735
http://forums.focaljet.com/tea....html
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums...06930
https://www.clublexus.com/forum...62154
http://www.metafilter.com/7262...tions
http://www.advrider.com/forums/
http://forum.ih8mud.com/chit-c....html
http://mazdaspeedforums.net/
http://www.uberdubs.com
http://www.nddubs.com
http://www.502streetscene.net/...18134
http://www.miata.net
http://www.cartalk.com/
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/...40765
http://www.orlandoforums.com/f...03074
http://forums.myspace.com/t/40...hread
http://www.600rr.net/vb/showthread.php?t=107282
http://www.rabbitownersclub.com/
http://www.akeuro.com/forum/index.php?topic=3134.0
http://www.vdubaddiction.com/f...99847
http://www.volksforum.com/foru...80873
http://digg.com/odd_stuff/audi..._them
http://www.reddit.com/goto?id=6nzsc
http://www.autopia.org/forum/h....html
http://techreport.com/forums/v...59773
http://www.golfmkv.com
http://www.badassmustangs.com
http://www.passatworld.com/for...36871
http://www.hemitruckclub.com
http://www.riderforums.com
http://www.ctsubaru.com
http://www.radioreference.com/
http://www.driftcentral.com
http://driftindy.com
http://www.kcsr.org
http://g35driver.com/forums/sh...28319
http://www.tristatetuners.com/...57890
http://www.3si.org/
http://openline.medialine.com/...23937
http://www.winnipegheights.com/
http://forums.hamsexy.com/view...11468
http://forums.beyond.ca/st/223...mself-/
http://www.cepavw.org/phpbb3/v...10846
http://www.4x4wire.com/
http://www.speed-tribe.com/for...age=1
http://kch2o.org/vanilla/comme...em_17
http://www.ncdubs.com
http://www.r3vlimited.com/boar...13303
also, here is a link to aps's myspace page, and a related site that re-routes back to here:
http://www.myspace.com/390555469
http://www.arizonaparkingsolutionssucks.com/
finally, in that grand american fashion: Commemorative t-shirts:
http://www.cafepress.com/sprocketwear.277130723
modified by bill1975 at 8:15 pm 6-19-2008
modified by bill1975 at 8:59 pm 6-19-2008
modified by bill1975 at 9:06 pm 6-19-2008
modified by bill1975 at 9:08 pm 6-19-2008
modified by bill1975 at 9:10 pm 6-19-2008
official listing of reposts, crossposts, and links
http://www.rx7club.com
http://forums.nasioc.com/forum...39735
http://forums.focaljet.com/tea....html
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums...06930
https://www.clublexus.com/forum...62154
http://www.metafilter.com/7262...tions
http://www.advrider.com/forums/
http://forum.ih8mud.com/chit-c....html
http://mazdaspeedforums.net/
http://www.uberdubs.com
http://www.nddubs.com
http://www.502streetscene.net/...18134
http://www.miata.net
http://www.cartalk.com/
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/...40765
http://www.orlandoforums.com/f...03074
http://forums.myspace.com/t/40...hread
http://www.600rr.net/vb/showthread.php?t=107282
http://www.rabbitownersclub.com/
http://www.akeuro.com/forum/index.php?topic=3134.0
http://www.vdubaddiction.com/f...99847
http://www.volksforum.com/foru...80873
http://digg.com/odd_stuff/audi..._them
http://www.reddit.com/goto?id=6nzsc
http://www.autopia.org/forum/h....html
http://techreport.com/forums/v...59773
http://www.golfmkv.com
http://www.badassmustangs.com
http://www.passatworld.com/for...36871
http://www.hemitruckclub.com
http://www.riderforums.com
http://www.ctsubaru.com
http://www.radioreference.com/
http://www.driftcentral.com
http://driftindy.com
http://www.kcsr.org
http://g35driver.com/forums/sh...28319
http://www.tristatetuners.com/...57890
http://www.3si.org/
http://openline.medialine.com/...23937
http://www.winnipegheights.com/
http://forums.hamsexy.com/view...11468
http://forums.beyond.ca/st/223...mself-/
http://www.cepavw.org/phpbb3/v...10846
http://www.4x4wire.com/
http://www.speed-tribe.com/for...age=1
http://kch2o.org/vanilla/comme...em_17
http://www.ncdubs.com
http://www.r3vlimited.com/boar...13303
also, here is a link to aps's myspace page, and a related site that re-routes back to here:
http://www.myspace.com/390555469
http://www.arizonaparkingsolutionssucks.com/
finally, in that grand american fashion: Commemorative t-shirts:
http://www.cafepress.com/sprocketwear.277130723
modified by bill1975 at 8:15 pm 6-19-2008
modified by bill1975 at 8:59 pm 6-19-2008
modified by bill1975 at 9:06 pm 6-19-2008
modified by bill1975 at 9:08 pm 6-19-2008
modified by bill1975 at 9:10 pm 6-19-2008
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As far as the legalities of trash talk on the internet, APS pretty much has to suck it up. Tucker Max's forum was sued not too long ago and the case was dismissed because it was a PUBLIC forum.
And here's the precedent:
Milkovich V. Lorain Journal Co. 497 U.S. 1, 20 (1990)
"The Bressler-Letters-Falwell line of cases provides protection for statements that cannot 'reasonably [be] interpreted as stating actual facts' about an individual."
(Quoting Hustler Magazine V. Falwell, 485 U.S. 46, 50 (1988))
So slam away, my newfound friends. APS deserves the badmouthing.
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If I were this guy, I would actually file a suite against APS to either withdraw the unpaid parking fine on file, or get the matter settled. Like his friend on the HOA said, they can use that unpaid fines on file against him to make has parking a PITA. They will never send him a bill for it because they don't want him to pay, so he will either have to just pay it, or take them to court and officially challenge it to resolve the unpaid fine. If he looses in court he'll pay the fine and it will be removed from file and they can't hold it against him. If he wins, it will be removed from file and they can't hold it against him. Either way, he needs to get that unpaid fees on file officially removed as that will be their end around for them getting payback on him.
This is why I will never live in a HOA type housing. I've never seen it this bad, but I would be wasting my money on HOA fees and fines and other maintenance fees.
This is why I will never live in a HOA type housing. I've never seen it this bad, but I would be wasting my money on HOA fees and fines and other maintenance fees.
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I've got a couple condos that had a really messed up HOA. I actually lived in one for a while and had to deal with their parking crap.
They assigned 2 passes to be displayed in car windows.
The passes were assigned to the condo unit..not the cars or plates. Their issue with me is that I would switch cars (I had 5 or 6 ) and just move the pass into whatever car I was driving at the time.
Id always get fines or even had a towtruck try to ****** up one of my cars that had a parking pass and parked in my assigned spot. Finally got pissed and started talking to them thru my attorney
I will never buy another condo or home in an association.
They assigned 2 passes to be displayed in car windows.
The passes were assigned to the condo unit..not the cars or plates. Their issue with me is that I would switch cars (I had 5 or 6 ) and just move the pass into whatever car I was driving at the time.
Id always get fines or even had a towtruck try to ****** up one of my cars that had a parking pass and parked in my assigned spot. Finally got pissed and started talking to them thru my attorney
I will never buy another condo or home in an association.
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Good read. Boy u sure have the guts and patience to go through this.
Good Job.
Good Job.
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