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Comparison Test: 2008-'09 Crossover SUVs

Source: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=128367

1ST PLACE - Mazda CX-9
Huge passenger room, high style and sporty dynamics take the sting out of driving a 7-seater.

2ND PLACE - Toyota Highlander
As close as you'll come to a minivan with hinged doors, but there's not much cargo space.

3RD PLACE - Honda Pilot
The truck of the group has a clever cabin design, but falls short in braking and acceleration.
We keep a couple seven-passenger crossover SUVs in our long-term test fleet and they're indispensable for carting around kids, terriers and lawn furniture. Of course, we still crack the obvious jokes. We'll tell you that these are minivans with hinged doors, SUVs trail-rated for the Starbucks drive-thru, tall wagons that think they're too good to be called tall wagons.

But there's nothing superficial or irrational about crossover SUVs like the 2009 Honda Pilot, 2008 Mazda CX-9 or 2008 Toyota Highlander. All three make good on the crossover promise of a vast interior, easy maneuverability and decent fuel economy. Maybe you're aghast that anyone would need three rows of seating, but maybe you've never tried to cram three toddlers in Britax car seats into a Honda Accord.

We have. You need that third row. But if that third row were in a minivan, you might find yourself filling a prescription for antidepressants. This leaves you to consider a crossover SUV of medium-to-large proportions.

Just about any current-day crossover will accomplish the basics, but the diversity of this vehicle genre might catch you off guard. Even though the 2009 Honda Pilot, 2008 Mazda CX-9 and 2008 Toyota Highlander seem to match one another airbag for airbag, their personalities are so different that you can't drive them without taking sides.

The $40K Club
The redesigned 2009 Honda Pilot is, for the moment, the coolest crossover and everyone wants to know all about it. Yet oddly enough, the Pilot looks out of sync with the current crossover fashion. It looks like a truck, and it looks anxious about looking like a truck.

Nevertheless, our loaded all-wheel-drive 2009 Honda Pilot Touring with Navigation and Rear Entertainment is probably the most technologically advanced family vehicle ever to roll up to Wal-Mart. It has a rearview camera, plus front and rear parking sensors. Its climate control system monitors humidity levels. The comprehensive voice-recognition system controls audio, climate, nav and Bluetooth functions. The Pilot is also the only crossover in this test that seats eight. At $40,655, it's the most expensive, too.

Not by much, though, as our 2008 Mazda CX-9 Grand Touring AWD tester costs $40,275 and lacks a rear entertainment system. Otherwise, this CX-9 is equipped similar to the Pilot Touring. Its Bose stereo and sunroof cost $1,750, while its nav system, rear camera and power liftgate cost $2,500. A la carte extras include towing preparation ($525) and a useful blind-spot monitoring system ($200). Chic xenon headlights and 20-inch wheels are standard fare on the Mazda CX-9 Grand Touring.

We're surprised to see the 2008 Toyota Highlander Limited wearing a set of 19s, though this is predictably an isolated bit of flair in an otherwise uniformly conservative wrapper. At $39,249, the Highlander Limited is the price leader in this test, but it has basically the same cabin electronics as the CX-9, including triple-zone climate control (provided you chip in an extra $585 for the rear A/C unit) and a touchscreen navigation system, which is bundled with Bluetooth and JBL sound ($2,505). A rear camera is standard on the Highlander, but nav-equipped models display the image on a larger screen.

The Highlander's optional power liftgate adds $400, while towing preparation costs only $200 and gives you a 5,000-pound tow rating — the highest of this group. Toyota then hits you up for floor mats ($275), roof rack crossbars ($229) and a roof spoiler ($200). If you don't want the spoiler, go directly to Boardwalk and pay the owner $300 for each hotel.

3rd Place: 2009 Honda Pilot Touring
As we wrote in our First Drive, the 2009 Honda Pilot's space efficiency is its greatest strength, just like the Honda Odyssey minivan with which it shares its basic architecture and hardware. Although it is 9 inches shorter than the Mazda CX-9, the Pilot has 152.7 cubic feet of passenger volume, the most of this group. And it's also the most comfortable of these SUVs for three-row use.

Although it has the lowest total cargo volume (87.0 cubic feet), the Pilot's boxy shape works with its extra width and vertical clearance to make it the most useful of these three utility vehicles for hauling stuff when passengers are occupying some or all of the rear seats. The Honda also has storage containers by the dozen, plus durable interior materials designed to withstand car seats, tantrums and overturned sippy cups.

Yet this resolute focus on utility foretells the 2009 Pilot's downfall. The driving aspect of the crossover equation seems to have been overlooked.

It wears P245/65R17 Michelin LTX mud/snow tires and has the most compliant ride of the three. It also has the least road noise. But these tires do it no favors during emergency stops. The Pilot's best 60-0-mph braking distance is an unimpressive 149 feet — nearly as bad as the Ford Edge. Grippier tires would help, but the brake system's lack of heat capacity (something we've been noticing about other new Hondas as well) is also a problem. Curb weight is also an issue here, as our Pilot weighs 4,609 pounds.

Even so, the Pilot's handling isn't a disaster, because the chassis is exceptional. It has the slowest steering ratio (19.0:1) of these crossovers, but its steering is accurate and works in harmony with the suspension. Within the limits imposed by its tires, the 2009 Honda Pilot Touring feels safe and predictable. Its 59.4-mph slalom speed surpasses the Mazda, though only because the Honda has a stability control system that can be switched off, so the controllable oversteer helps it get through the cones.

Of course, once you're in everyday traffic, you might be more concerned with the Pilot's sluggish response in passing situations. Other than installing an upgraded version of Variable Cylinder Management (VCM), Honda has made few changes to the 3.5-liter V6. Engineers squeezed out a little extra power, and the V6 is rated at 250 horsepower and 243 pound-feet of torque. These numbers fall short of those achieved by the Mazda and Toyota powertrains, though, and you feel the difference when you stomp the accelerator pedal. There's compensation in the five-speed automatic transmission's timely downshifts, but the inability to hold it in 4th gear is annoying.

At our test track, the Pilot takes 9.7 seconds to reach 60 mph (9.3 seconds with 1 foot of rollout as on a drag strip) — almost a second slower than the CX-9 and 2 seconds behind the Highlander. These margins hold through the quarter-mile, which the Pilot dispatches in 17.2 seconds at 81.3 mph. Even with VCM, there's no fuel economy advantage over the others. The Pilot is rated 16 mpg city/22 mpg highway. Our test Pilot averaged 18.6 mpg during its time with us.

Is there a more useful vehicle than the 2009 Honda Pilot Touring? Probably not, but in 2009, SUVs also have to accelerate and stop as well as midsize sedans, no excuses.

2nd Place: 2008 Toyota Highlander Limited
Redesigned for 2008, the Toyota Highlander is noticeably longer, wider and taller than the original Highlander, yet it's still the runt of this comparison. No matter which row you sit in, it feels a half-size smaller than the others. It even rides on a slightly shorter wheelbase than the Camry sedan on which it's based.

This less-is-more approach has obvious disadvantages, but the more we drive the 2008 Toyota Highlander Limited, the more we appreciate the compromise it offers — particularly in light of current fuel prices.

That said, there are some compromises, particularly in the third-row seat. The rearmost seat folds as a single unit, so there's not much flexibility if you want to combine a carpool run with a trip to the grocery store. And in order to preserve a spacious feel in the cabin, Toyota has kept the seat itself fairly small.

However, the 2008 Toyota Highlander offers one innovative feature that all crossovers should adopt: a hideaway center seat in the second row. When you don't have a seventh passenger, this seat stows in the back of the front console and you can snap down a table with cupholders. Or you can leave this space open, so older kids can access the third row without forcing you to move and reinstall any car seats that might be in the second-row outboard positions.

Otherwise, the 2008 Toyota Highlander is traditional in design. It doesn't feel as high-tech as the Pilot, nor as upscale as the CX-9, but it has a warmer ambience and the simplest control layout of the group. And thanks to the Highlander's smaller size and unfussy exterior lines, it has the best visibility.

Likewise, the Toyota feels the most maneuverable, even though it has the softest suspension tuning. The Highlander is also the fastest of these crossovers through the slalom at 60 mph (despite stability control that's undefeatable).

More important, the Toyota provides vastly superior braking performance compared to the Pilot, in large part due to its P245/55R19 Toyo A20 Open Country all-season tires that grip the pavement better. Its best stop from 60 mph is 131 feet. The large wheels and tires create too much road noise, but ride quality remains plush.

The Highlander is also very quick for a midsize crossover SUV, thanks to its 270-hp version of Toyota's excellent 3.5-liter V6. Torque is a modest 248 lb-ft, but you'd never guess it from the driver seat, as the 4,458-pound Highlander Limited moves out with an ease that the Mazda CX-9 simply can't match. It needs just 7.8 seconds to hit 60 mph (7.5 seconds with 1 foot of rollout as on a drag strip) and breezes through the quarter-mile in 15.6 seconds at 86.9 mph.

The Toyota's five-speed automatic transmission serves up smooth upshifts, and although downshifts aren't super quick, there's a full manual mode. Better yet, fuel economy is the best of the three, with our test vehicle averaging 20 mpg against a 17 city/23 highway EPA rating.

As a minivan alternative for young families, the 2008 Toyota Highlander Limited makes a lot of sense. It doesn't have the utility of the Pilot, the panache of the CX-9 or the space of either, but in the days of $5-a-gallon gas, maybe less really is more.

1st Place: 2008 Mazda CX-9 Grand Touring
Uncommon levels of style and athleticism distinguish the 2008 Mazda CX-9 from every other $40K crossover SUV on the road. The CX-9's victory in this comparison test proves these aren't just marketing gimmicks, and indeed, we like the way this 2008 Mazda CX-9 Grand Touring drives. But it takes the win here because it's roomy, comfortable and an overall pleasant vehicle for daily family use.

Truly, the roominess of the CX-9 can't be overstated. It has the longest wheelbase in the test, and it feels like all of it has been used to maximize legroom. The second-row seats have a considerable range of recline and fore/aft adjustment, so even if you have a family of 6-footers, you can get regular use out of the second and third rows.

The aggressively styled roof line makes headroom a little tight, though. It also cuts down on vertical clearance for cargo, though with more than 100 cubic feet of total cargo volume, the Mazda has you covered for most hauling assignments.

Moreover, the lower roof line adds to the cockpitlike feel when you're in the driver seat. Although you can't ignore the sheer size of the vehicle around you, the CX-9's sporty seating position is a departure from the minivanlike perch in the Honda and Toyota. The only problem is that there aren't many storage areas beyond the basics.

In spite of its sporty persona, the 2008 Mazda CX-9 ends up with the slowest slalom speed (58.4 mph) due to its undefeatable stability control system's relatively low threshold of intervention. On the street, though, it feels more athletic than the Pilot or Highlander and is the only one of the three that might justify a back-road detour. It also has the quickest steering ratio (16.3:1) and offers genuine feedback through the wheel.

The low-profile P245/50R20 Bridgestone Dueler H/L 400 tires offer above-average grip and also translate to excellent braking performance, both at the test track, where the CX-9 stops from 60 mph in 124 feet, and in normal traffic, where the brake pedal action is firm and reassuring. Those 20-inch tires contribute to plenty of road noise, though, and ride quality is decidedly firm.

With ratings of 273 hp and 270 lb-ft of torque, the 2008 Mazda CX-9's 3.7-liter V6 has a slight edge in horsepower over the Highlander's 3.5-liter, and significantly more torque. Yet the 3.7-liter lacks the outright vigor of the Toyota V6, and it's also charged with hauling around an additional 200 pounds. Still, the CX-9 is quick enough to get through traffic, and its 8.5-second 0-60-mph time (8.2 seconds with 1 foot of rollout as on a drag strip) is respectable. The quarter-mile goes by in 16.3 seconds at 86.5 mph.

The Mazda is the only one of the three with a six-speed automatic. The transmission can be reluctant with downshifts, but it leaves everything in your hands in manual mode. The CX-9's EPA ratings are the thirstiest of the three at 15 mpg city/21 mpg highway, but our tester averaged a decent 18.4 mpg.

The most satisfying thing about driving the 2008 Mazda CX-9 Grand Touring is the relative lack of compromise. It looks and feels like something you might drive if you didn't have kids. Yet it offers all the space and comfort you need now that you do have kids.

Stick Around for a While
Although we've been hearing about a mad dash to get out of sport-utility vehicles and into fuel-efficient compacts, the reality is that seven- and eight-passenger crossover SUVs like the 2008 Mazda CX-9, 2008 Toyota Highlander and 2009 Honda Pilot aren't going away anytime soon. Stringent car-seat regulations make three-row vehicles a necessity for families of more than four, and in most cases, you won't do much worse on gas mileage than you would with a minivan.

Yet the differences between current-day crossover SUVs are larger than you might think, and while this provides an opportunity to own a family vehicle with some soul to it, you shouldn't assume that one crossover will fit you as well as another. Driving the 2009 Honda Pilot Touring makes this point abundantly clear. Here's a vehicle that feels so right on the inside, with its eight-passenger seating, user-friendly technology and clever storage solutions, yet disappoints as soon as you point it down the nearest highway on-ramp or get on the brakes hard.

If a crossover SUV needn't be anything more than a hinged-door alternative to a minivan, there's a strong case to be made for the 2008 Toyota Highlander. It's smaller than the others, and isn't trying to revolutionize the world with storage slots or sporty handling dynamics. However, its thoughtful approach to second-row seating makes it particularly useful for transporting very young children. And because it weighs less than the others, it's quicker and easier to manage on crowded streets.

However, the 2008 Mazda CX-9 is by far the most interesting choice of the group. Although it's almost as roomy as your typical minivan, it's not a direct substitute. This is a crossover you'll take actual joy in driving, and as you walk up to the CX-9 in the parking lot, you won't feel like you're living in a world of numb necessity.
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Interesting comparison.

Funny how they compared all of them to minivans. Although they may be more aesthetic than a minivan, I don't find them more functional.

But in all honesty, I'd get such crossovers over a minivan if I had the choice. If I was a father, I don't want to be so uncool as to drive a minivan...
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The primary difference between the crossover and the minivan is ground clearance. I have one of each in my driveway and wouldn't consider taking the van off pavement for any reason - it is simply too close to the ground. High-centering is a distinct possibility, and the break-over and departure angles could become a concern even in some driveways and suburban streets.

The Mazda is currently high on my list when I consider replacing my current RX - with the Highlander and Pilot rather distant contenders.
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Gotta love these auto magazine (internet or not) comparos. The Highlander is the performance king out of the three but apparently the CX-9 "feels" more sportier...

That being said, if I am in the market for a people-mover the CX-9 will be my first choice with the Highlander as a close second. However, if I want a hybrid then it's the HH all the way.
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I think thats a fair review.
I can't believe they are all 40k. I wouldn't even look at them at that price. Am I the only one nuts?
 
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Originally Posted by 1SICKGOAT

I can't believe they are all 40k. I wouldn't even look at them at that price. Am I the only one nuts?
Well, each got the top-of-the-line trims.

I think most of them start in the low $30s.
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Vehicles have gotten too expensive. Power windows, cd players, etc. aren't options anymore. Recall that it wasn't uncommon in the 80s to have a cassette deck as an option. Nowdays, well the Legacy GT for example, only comes in leather in a so called Limited trim. I ask you how can a car be limited if their is no other trim?
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My neighbor bought a CX-9 a few months ago and it is a nice ride.
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Yay finally! To me, the CX-7 and CX-9 are stylish like a Lexus RX, whereas the Highlander is boring and the Pilot's well, just ugly (and as the review says, trucky).
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Originally Posted by SLegacy99
I ask you how can a car be limited if their is no other trim?
What's limited is the number they will build and the number of people that can afford them.
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I just don't understand how Toyota can be so stubborn as to not offer a split 3rd row seat. If it had one, I don't think I'd even consider another crossover SUV.
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When the CX-9 came out, my wife really liked the looks of it (she drives an '02 Highlander now). I personally like the design of the CX-9 a little better than the new Highlander but if we had to choose between the two I'd probably go with the Highlander. Why? Because it's Toyota. I'm at a point where I can't afford to get a new car every 3-4 yrs so if and when a new (to us) vehicle was purchased, long term reliability plays a huge part.

The Mazda has a little too close relation with Ford for my comfort. And while Fords haven't treated me too bad in the past, they aren't cars that I'd ever consider keeping beyond 100k miles.

I like how the Highlander now has the V6 standard - the 3.0 V6 in ours is great. I just wish the new one didn't have that goofy removable thingy between the second row. Just make it an option for captains chairs or a bench for cripes sake!

And sheesh - the new Pilot is fugly. I saw one here at my work parking lot and the front looks like it was punched in the nose and the back looks kinda stumpy with that short side window behind the passenger doors.
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Originally Posted by tex2670
I just don't understand how Toyota can be so stubborn as to not offer a split 3rd row seat. If it had one, I don't think I'd even consider another crossover SUV.
Most likely due to cost-cutting. But in all honesty, of all the things that Toyota could have skimped on, I'm glad it's something as simple as the third row seats. The general interior build and quality was not sacrificed.

The more upscale Seqouia has split third row seats. I guess you have to upgrade to split-and-fold...
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Originally Posted by SLegacy99
Vehicles have gotten too expensive. Power windows, cd players, etc. aren't options anymore. Recall that it wasn't uncommon in the 80s to have a cassette deck as an option. Nowdays, well the Legacy GT for example, only comes in leather in a so called Limited trim. I ask you how can a car be limited if their is no other trim?
exactly, that's why it's limited :P haha.
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Originally Posted by PhilipMSPT
Most likely due to cost-cutting. But in all honesty, of all the things that Toyota could have skimped on, I'm glad it's something as simple as the third row seats. The general interior build and quality was not sacrificed.

The more upscale Seqouia has split third row seats. I guess you have to upgrade to split-and-fold...
I'd much rather them find something else to skimp on (no--not the over all interior quality) than the split third row seats. People buy these cars because of their practicality. When my wife has to pick up one of my son's friends from school, she can put 2 kids in the middle row, and one in the back, and still have plenty of cargo space for a stroller or whatever. Why kill the entire cargo area if you aren't taking a full passenger load, but still need one seat in the way back?

If they are doing this to push me to a more expensive Sequoia, they're crazy. I'll buy a Pilot, Tribecca or CX-9 before tacking on another 8-10 grand for a bigger truck that is likely not to even fit in my garage.
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