TOYOTA Employee... Works Himself To Death!
07-09-08, 02:21 PM
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I have to say that American cars are light years ahead in quality compared to years ago. The reason Ford stock, like all other auto companies are down is because of the high gas/everything prices. There aren't too many people buying cars these days. I mean this is even right off Club Lexus Home page "The Toyota Division posted June sales of 172,981, down 10.3 percent from last June. The Lexus Division reported June sales of 20,253 units, a decrease of 21.1 percent from the year-ago month." I like my Lexus but I have to admit I get tired of seeing American car bashing on here. It seems that problems that occur on Non-American cars are excused, but quickly pointed out on American cars. Sure there are a lot of American made models that aren't the best in quality, but you can say the same for a lot of Non-American models as well. If I'm not mistaken Ford has several models in Consumer Reports Top 10. I'm sure I'll hear a mouth full from some of you but it just gets old hearing that non-stop. I have a friend that has a CRV that has been in the shop for several issues, but if you ask him he tell you how much better his car is then an American model. It is all what you like. What you like affects what you will tolerate. So if you haven't owned an American car in the past several years, you might want to check one out.
07-09-08, 02:34 PM
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Thank you for correcting that, and you are correct 80 hours isn't all that bad for a month or two. I have put in 20 hours O/T in one 5 day week but I couldn't do that for any length of time
07-09-08, 05:33 PM
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He died from ischemic heart disease. This is caused by narrow heart arteries which ends up producing less blood flow to the heart. Toyota won't be at fault for "working him to death".
07-09-08, 05:47 PM
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This thread is missing a link to the story out there that some engineer literally died from overwork at Toyota....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080709/...Sg9uDXdHcDW7oF
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080709/...Sg9uDXdHcDW7oF
07-09-08, 05:55 PM
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And, here in America, we gripe if we don't get a two hour lunch and then get to leave an hour early to beat the afternoon rush.
Yes, a real shame that overwork cost this man his life. However, part of that is simply Japanese culture. Work, in Japan, is considered an honor. Few things are more frowned upon than what is perceived as "laziness". Employees, at night, after the formal working day, sometimes meet in each other's homes before they go to bed to discuss common ways of improving the results of their work.......that, of course, is virtually unheard of here.
This work-as-a-priviledge attitude, in Japan, is one of the key factors (among others) why, for decades, Japanese-designed and built cars have ranked among the world's best in quality, although many of the same Japanese-designed cars built in American plants have also acheived excellent quality. Those American plants, however, are run by Japanese managers, not American, and the employees are generally not UAW members.
Yes, a real shame that overwork cost this man his life. However, part of that is simply Japanese culture. Work, in Japan, is considered an honor. Few things are more frowned upon than what is perceived as "laziness". Employees, at night, after the formal working day, sometimes meet in each other's homes before they go to bed to discuss common ways of improving the results of their work.......that, of course, is virtually unheard of here.
This work-as-a-priviledge attitude, in Japan, is one of the key factors (among others) why, for decades, Japanese-designed and built cars have ranked among the world's best in quality, although many of the same Japanese-designed cars built in American plants have also acheived excellent quality. Those American plants, however, are run by Japanese managers, not American, and the employees are generally not UAW members.
07-09-08, 05:59 PM
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Overwork and stress can indeed cause heart and cardiovascular problems, But I agree that Toyota may not be directly at fault. See my post above.....workaholism is simply part of inbred Japanese culture, like eating sushi or drinking sake..
07-09-08, 06:22 PM
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And, here in America, we gripe if we don't get a two hour lunch and then get to leave an hour early to beat the afternoon rush.
Yes, a real shame that overwork cost this man his life. However, part of that is simply Japanese culture. Work, in Japan, is considered an honor. Few things are more frowned upon than what is perceived as "laziness". Employees, at night, after the formal working day, sometimes meet in each other's homes before they go to bed to discuss common ways of improving the results of their work.......that, of course, is virtually unheard of here.
This work-as-a-priviledge attitude, in Japan, is one of the key factors (among others) why, for decades, Japanese-designed and built cars have ranked among the world's best in quality, although many of the same Japanese-designed cars built in American plants have also acheived excellent quality. Those American plants, however, are run by Japanese managers, not American, and the employees are generally not UAW members.
Yes, a real shame that overwork cost this man his life. However, part of that is simply Japanese culture. Work, in Japan, is considered an honor. Few things are more frowned upon than what is perceived as "laziness". Employees, at night, after the formal working day, sometimes meet in each other's homes before they go to bed to discuss common ways of improving the results of their work.......that, of course, is virtually unheard of here.
This work-as-a-priviledge attitude, in Japan, is one of the key factors (among others) why, for decades, Japanese-designed and built cars have ranked among the world's best in quality, although many of the same Japanese-designed cars built in American plants have also acheived excellent quality. Those American plants, however, are run by Japanese managers, not American, and the employees are generally not UAW members.
the companies i have worked for, most people are working their asses off. on my job, overtime 10 hours a week is pretty standard.now of course, i am not putting this case down, it's a tragic death for sure, and work stress has something to do with it too. i am just surprised that 2 months of 20 hrs OT a week lead to the death. i think there are probably more to it before that
07-10-08, 02:17 AM
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lol i don't know, you talking about government agencies? the companies i have worked for, most people are working their asses off. on my job, overtime 10 hours a week is pretty standard.
now of course, i am not putting this case down, it's a tragic death for sure, and work stress has something to do with it too. i am just surprised that 2 months of 20 hrs OT a week lead to the death. i think there are probably more to it before that
the companies i have worked for, most people are working their asses off. on my job, overtime 10 hours a week is pretty standard.now of course, i am not putting this case down, it's a tragic death for sure, and work stress has something to do with it too. i am just surprised that 2 months of 20 hrs OT a week lead to the death. i think there are probably more to it before that
07-10-08, 10:23 AM
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As a salaried worker, it is expected and overtime pay...har-har. It is your duty to fulfill the needs of the company. You may get some compensation but theirs is set-up differently than what it is in the states. Company loyalty is changing too. They will kick your butt out at manners deemed outside the company philosophy. The alternate is they make life difficult in the work place...mostly like doing low level tasks which would be shameful to your previous duties. (Keep in mind pride and your perceived visible stature within the work place. This is very important in tradition.)
We have a relative who works for a city gov and his usual work day is 15 hours 6 days a week, sometimes 7. They do not have the same mandatory breaks we have here so they work him near constantly. He has come home at 1-2 AM and then is back at work by 5 during project phases. Not all work is like that. If you are an important part of the team or at supervisor level, life is much different than the grunts. It varies, though there is far too much over-working of certain employees.
We like the Japanese product, the philosophy behind some are demanding to get it at the level we associate it. Unfortunately to be a leader in a market, you have to strive hard and in this instance, this individual's body gave out.
We have a relative who works for a city gov and his usual work day is 15 hours 6 days a week, sometimes 7. They do not have the same mandatory breaks we have here so they work him near constantly. He has come home at 1-2 AM and then is back at work by 5 during project phases. Not all work is like that. If you are an important part of the team or at supervisor level, life is much different than the grunts. It varies, though there is far too much over-working of certain employees.
We like the Japanese product, the philosophy behind some are demanding to get it at the level we associate it. Unfortunately to be a leader in a market, you have to strive hard and in this instance, this individual's body gave out.
07-10-08, 10:31 AM
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But among government agencies and private firms alike, there are both stressful positions and do-nothing positions where you just sit around and yak all day.