rg_gibson

I thought the same until I saw this pic

KINGLEX

June Sales

IS 4,324
3 Series 9,581

No Lexus vehicle even comes close to that number.

For the price no other car is as complete.

pisaykotik

I'm still not fond of the rear, especially the tail lights. The coupe's rear looks so much better.

marshmallo

I also think it's better than the current sedan, but not spectacular.

knihc2008

iTrader: (1)

Wait I don't get it

I still think there are too many lines in the front haha

The only thing about my opinion that has changed is that the headlamps make the car look eternally sleepy... which is not so cool. Is that what you meant?

TwiBlueG35

IS looks much better than 3 sedan in my opinion, much better.

LexFather

While subjective the IS IMO has much better style and balance than the 3. You also forget to mention
-3 series come in 100,000 variants
........coupe, sedan, m3, convertible, awd sedan, awd coupe, wagon
-3 series lease deals on par with buying a Kia

NO CAR comes close the the 3 series sales numbers. No one.

LexFather

As for the touch up the only thing I like is the tails, they are finally getting back to their classic tails that kick up at the ends.

Otherwise, interior still worst in class, exterior got even busier, front end is pretty sad.

335d is going to be fantastic, reviews in Europe claim its the best diesel around.

hapaboy

the rear looks like ruffled panties.

TwiBlueG35

Lexus RX's sales number is not that far behind from 3-series, considering RX has only one body style and two engine choices when 3-series has four body styles and three engine choices. Also, ES and IS both represent Lexus's entry level luxury sedan, one for mainly comfort when the other one for mainly sportiness, and their combined sales number could outsell the whole 3-series lineup. Lexus and BMW are taking different route to reach their sales target. If you have to use 3-series to go one on one against IS, then I have to say BMW has absolutely nothing to go against ES350. All in all, simply using sales figures to tell which car is better is simply stating Toyota Camry is the best car in the U.S. 3-series is more popular, neither the best, nor the most "complete".

LexFather

You mean how like BMW owners like the brag how BMW is the best selling luxury brand in the world?

I am not making this a 3 series sucks thing nor a BMW vs Lexus thing. We all know its STILL the standard in this class. Some say add the ES+IS sales since they cost around the same? I really don't care.

I also don't care that BMW has 200 versions of the 3 series. If anything OTHER CAR MAKERS SHOULD FOLLOW SUIT.

However, guys with flame surfacing underwear always forget FACTS and just brag on numbers and don't look deeper. Like HOW do they achieve such a stellar result.




Good points.


As for the RX, yes the RX sells over 100k a year with only 3 versions, FWD, AWD and Hybrid. Its quite amazing Lexus sells so many.

KINGLEX

I wonder how many of the people commenting on the 3 series, have actually driven the current model. The 2 cars aren't even close. Germans and the Japanese have two different philosophies on building cars. Look at Lexus and especially Acura, they only give you a few options within a line. Again the 3 series is the benchmark, with each launch of a new generation the competition remains once generation behind. If I want a less expensive more reliable car, then I would go to Lexus, but for pure pleasure it's BMW all day. This isn't BMW Vs. Lexus, this is pure fact. I don't think that i've ever seen a comparo where the is beat out the 3.

LexFather

fwiw, IS 300 beat the 328 in Road and Track....
The competition is not a gen behind, BMW is just the benchmark. In other words, people buy them irregardless.

I have driven them, they are fantastic to drive.

Koma

iTrader: (3)

Looks a ton better. The coupe has always looked fantastic but the sedan was always.... meh. The front bumper is a little over done but I could live with it.

PhilipMSPT

iTrader: (5)

I'm in the minority.

I don't prefer the redesign, particularly the choppy taillights and modified bumper. I'll stick with the pre-'09s...