Hummer in front of me at the gas station today
07-24-08, 08:10 AM
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...also people seem to forget a VERY important factor:
Does your gas contain Ethanol or not? All of NY does and gas is around $4.65/gal for 93 (premium). BTW this 10% Ethanol mixed gas (gasohol) reduces gas mileage by 2mpg as noted in many sources. So for the citizens that do have ONLY Ethanol mixed gas AND high(est) gas prices we get hit twice as hard because we pay the most for the least amount of distance able to be travelled. I wouldn't mind as much paying the $4.65/gal for 93 if it was straight gasoline; at least I can drive more between fill-ups. It's funny because I NEVER understood before how some of you guys get 18-20mpg on your GS4XX's until now...some of you must still (luckily, but probably not for long) get straight gasoline.
Does your gas contain Ethanol or not? All of NY does and gas is around $4.65/gal for 93 (premium). BTW this 10% Ethanol mixed gas (gasohol) reduces gas mileage by 2mpg as noted in many sources. So for the citizens that do have ONLY Ethanol mixed gas AND high(est) gas prices we get hit twice as hard because we pay the most for the least amount of distance able to be travelled. I wouldn't mind as much paying the $4.65/gal for 93 if it was straight gasoline; at least I can drive more between fill-ups. It's funny because I NEVER understood before how some of you guys get 18-20mpg on your GS4XX's until now...some of you must still (luckily, but probably not for long) get straight gasoline.
07-24-08, 08:12 AM
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How about just cutting the usage by 1/3? Our SUV, current Tahoe, previous GX averaged 8000 miles a year. I live 5 miles from work, my neighbor drove like 45 miles to work every day with his Civic, he probably put 30,000+ miles a year on that car but i'm the bad guy for having a big SUV. Can I load up your hybrid with 4 search and rescuers with gear and drive up an old logging road? How about 3 adults, 3 kids and 3 hockey bags and 6 sticks, can I get my family of 4, my 2 dogs in your vehicle and tow a boat?
07-24-08, 09:07 AM
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Sorry Koma, just because you think that people shouldn't own something doesn't mean that it is correct. Some people would be all over you for owning a car that uses gas period. And if you own anything leather, others would be after you for that. Are you a vegetarian? Other people for that. Etc.......
Ultimately we need to worry about outselves and stop trying to force our opinions on others. I live my life one way and you live it another and neither one of us is right or wrong. The only thing that is wrong is when you try to keep someone from living their life the way that they want to.
07-24-08, 09:36 AM
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How about just cutting the usage by 1/3? Our SUV, current Tahoe, previous GX averaged 8000 miles a year. I live 5 miles from work, my neighbor drove like 45 miles to work every day with his Civic, he probably put 30,000+ miles a year on that car but i'm the bad guy for having a big SUV. Can I load up your hybrid with 4 search and rescuers with gear and drive up an old logging road? How about 3 adults, 3 kids and 3 hockey bags and 6 sticks, can I get my family of 4, my 2 dogs in your vehicle and tow a boat?
in your case, if you drove a car averaging 40MPG your yearly gas bill would go from approx $2132 (assuming 15mpg and $4/gal) to $768. So its really not worth it when you figure out car payment + insurance unless you buy a beater.
In your shoes I'd look at the Tahoe-H.
Personally, I recently had a fully loaded Audi Q7 loaner car for a week and couldn't stand driving the boat. Zero fun, no handling, PIA to park. So even if gas was $1 a gallon, I wouldn't drive one....but to each his own...as long as you don't make my COL go thru the roof with mass consumption
I sure wish GM, FORD, Toyota, etc built large SUV's that got 30-35mpg. There is the Ford Escape-H but that's not big enough for some.
to a point yes, but when some yahoo wants to drive 100mph down the freeway there has to be laws and regulations to stop them.
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07-24-08, 09:44 AM
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Alot of you have your heads where they don't belong. I have yet to see, and correct me if I'm wrong, one person mention this here. It may be beneficial for society for all the folks with gas guzzling trucks to buy into smaller gas sippers, but it isn't economically feasable for the individuals. 2 main reasons go into this:
Commercial use: Some of these folks need these big trucks for jobs, whether it is towing, carrying a heavy load, or other duties, its a WORK truck.
Recreational use: Whats more financially sound. Keeping your truck thats worth 8K now, or going out to buy a brand new Hybrid for 25K+? How many years will that amount of money cover for your gas bill?
Unless you folks who think "tank" drivers should switch vehicles into something smaller, and ya'll are willing to pitch in for that person to switch, I suggest ya'll keep to yourselves.
Don't have a truck here, but I know some light PU's that actually get pretty good gas mileage, and if I needed one for functionality I would certainly pick one up.
BTW, prices are dropping SLOWLY, but not at the rate they should. I WANT TO SEE a nice 2+ dollar drop. That would make my day.
Commercial use: Some of these folks need these big trucks for jobs, whether it is towing, carrying a heavy load, or other duties, its a WORK truck.
Recreational use: Whats more financially sound. Keeping your truck thats worth 8K now, or going out to buy a brand new Hybrid for 25K+? How many years will that amount of money cover for your gas bill?
Unless you folks who think "tank" drivers should switch vehicles into something smaller, and ya'll are willing to pitch in for that person to switch, I suggest ya'll keep to yourselves.
Don't have a truck here, but I know some light PU's that actually get pretty good gas mileage, and if I needed one for functionality I would certainly pick one up.
BTW, prices are dropping SLOWLY, but not at the rate they should. I WANT TO SEE a nice 2+ dollar drop. That would make my day
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07-24-08, 09:51 AM
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unfortunately, not many people live 5 miles from work.
in your case, if you drove a car averaging 40MPG your yearly gas bill would go from approx $2132 (assuming 15mpg and $4/gal) to $768. So its really not worth it when you figure out par payment + insurance unless you buy a beater.
in your case, if you drove a car averaging 40MPG your yearly gas bill would go from approx $2132 (assuming 15mpg and $4/gal) to $768. So its really not worth it when you figure out par payment + insurance unless you buy a beater.
My point was that too many people focus on the vehicle and MPG rather than actual consuption. Sure I could make sacrifices to my lifestyle and buy a sedan but I am still looked at as the evil SUV owner when i'm using less gas in my SUV than others driving small sedans, who's worse in your opinion.
07-24-08, 10:01 AM
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It is too bad that I can't own what I like and must sell my SUV's for a station wagon. Wait a minute, I live in the US and can own one after all! For a second there I thought that Koma controlled my life.
Sorry Koma, just because you think that people shouldn't own something doesn't mean that it is correct. Some people would be all over you for owning a car that uses gas period. And if you own anything leather, others would be after you for that. Are you a vegetarian? Other people for that. Etc.......
Ultimately we need to worry about outselves and stop trying to force our opinions on others. I live my life one way and you live it another and neither one of us is right or wrong. The only thing that is wrong is when you try to keep someone from living their life the way that they want to.
Sorry Koma, just because you think that people shouldn't own something doesn't mean that it is correct. Some people would be all over you for owning a car that uses gas period. And if you own anything leather, others would be after you for that. Are you a vegetarian? Other people for that. Etc.......
Ultimately we need to worry about outselves and stop trying to force our opinions on others. I live my life one way and you live it another and neither one of us is right or wrong. The only thing that is wrong is when you try to keep someone from living their life the way that they want to.
After all that's said, I would still probably buy a Ferrari if I had the money. Those don't get crazy good mileage either but at least I know for myself that I'm buying a gas guzzling performance car. Half the time I ask people who are thinking of getting an SUV why they decided on one they say things like "a mini-van is ugly," "it's safer than a car," "I need the space for all of my stuff."
Even when it comes to buying a luxury car, do you need all the options, do you want to pay for stuff you'll never use? I've never seen a single Hummer (H1,H2,H3,H-whatever-they-come-out-with-next) tow ANYTHING and most of the time I see one or two people in them.
But hey do whatever you guys want, just don't regret your purchase.
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07-24-08, 10:23 AM
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Koma, I understand your point more clearly especially if people are complaining. But many people like the SUV's for appearance or for some reason other than practicality. I can tell you that this was my main reason for the Rover. I like the look and its versatility but I don't even come close to maximizing its capabilities. I definitely don't complain about gas prices though.
07-24-08, 10:36 AM
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I made my g/f pull in opposite a prius at the gas station in her 93 Honda Del Sol because I planned on checking how much it cost the prius owner to fill up. So Prius owner fills up, drives off, I check the gas pump about $46.
Then our Del Sol finished filling up, cost: $38.
We paid $2700 for our Del Sol the Prius might be closer to $27,000! I'm sure the Prius gets more than 300 miles per tank though.
Then our Del Sol finished filling up, cost: $38.
We paid $2700 for our Del Sol the Prius might be closer to $27,000! I'm sure the Prius gets more than 300 miles per tank though.
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07-24-08, 10:38 AM
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oh he's minformed? dude, you don't know by now the US is an oil hog....
In 2007, the U.S. imported a total of 3.66 billion barrels of oil. Of those 3.66 billion barrles, the U.S. imported from a total of 46 different countries. The top 5 importing countries were: Canada (18.61%), Saudi Arabia (14.50%), Mexico (14.07%), Venezuela (11.48%), and Nigeria (10.80%), for a total of 69.47% of all American imports.
Oil is perhaps the most critical source of energy worldwide. Overall consumption is on the rise as more and more of the world industrialize and start utilizing modern machines. The United States is the largest consumer of oil and consumes over 25% of the world's oil! Here are the top oil consuming nations as provided by the CIA World Factbook (2007 estimates); the values represent the number of barrels consumed per day.
Rank Countries Amount (top to bottom)
#1 United States: 20,730,000 bbl/day
#2 China: 6,534,000 bbl/day
#3 Japan: 5,578,000 bbl/day
#4 Germany: 2,650,000 bbl/day
#5 Russia: 2,500,000 bbl/day
#6 India: 2,450,000 bbl/day
#7 Canada: 2,294,000 bbl/day
#8 Korea, South: 2,149,000 bbl/day
#9 Brazil: 2,100,000 bbl/day
#10 France: 1,970,000 bbl/day
#11 Mexico: 1,970,000 bbl/day
#12 Italy: 1,881,000 bbl/day
#13 Saudi Arabia: 1,845,000 bbl/day
#14 United Kingdom: 1,827,000 bbl/day
#15 Spain: 1,573,000 bbl/day
#16 Iran: 1,510,000 bbl/day
#17 Indonesia: 1,168,000 bbl/day
#18 Taiwan: 965,000 bbl/day
#19 Netherlands: 946,700 bbl/day
#20 Thailand: 900,000 bbl/day
#21 Australia: 877,300 bbl/day
#22 Singapore: 800,000 bbl/day
#23 Turkey: 715,100 bbl/day
#24 Belgium: 641,000 bbl/day
#25 Egypt: 590,000 bbl/day
#26 Venezuela: 560,000 bbl/day
#27 Malaysia: 515,000 bbl/day
#28 South Africa: 502,000 bbl/day
#29 Argentina: 470,000 bbl/day
#30 Poland: 445,700 bbl/day
#31 Greece: 435,700 bbl/day
#32 United Arab Emirates: 400,000 bbl/day
#33 Iraq: 377,000 bbl/day
#34 Sweden: 362,400 bbl/day
#35 Philippines: 342,000 bbl/day
#36 Kuwait: 335,000 bbl/day
#37 Portugal: 332,000 bbl/day
#38 Pakistan: 324,000 bbl/day
#39 Nigeria: 290,000 bbl/day
#40 Hong Kong: 285,000 bbl/day
#41 Ukraine: 284,600 bbl/day
#42 Austria: 282,000 bbl/day
#43 Colombia: 269,000 bbl/day
#44 Switzerland: 268,100 bbl/day
#45 Israel: 249,500 bbl/day
#46 Norway: 244,300 bbl/day
#47 Chile: 238,000 bbl/day
#48 Libya: 237,000 bbl/day
#49 Puerto Rico: 234,000 bbl/day
#50 Algeria: 233,000 bbl/day
#51 Vietnam: 230,000 bbl/day
#52 Syria: 230,000 bbl/day
#53 Kazakhstan: 222,000 bbl/day
#54 Finland: 220,400 bbl/day
#55 Romania: 212,000 bbl/day
#56 Cuba: 204,000 bbl/day
#57 Czech Republic: 203,100 bbl/day
#58 Ireland: 182,400 bbl/day
#59 Denmark: 171,000 bbl/day
#60 Morocco: 170,000 bbl/day
#61 Belarus: 165,000 bbl/day
#62 Peru: 156,000 bbl/day
#63 New Zealand: 150,600 bbl/day
#64 Ecuador: 148,000 bbl/day
#65 Uzbekistan: 148,000 bbl/day
#66 Hungary: 132,000 bbl/day
#67 Bulgaria: 131,400 bbl/day
#68 Dominican Republic: 127,000 bbl/day
#69 Azerbaijan: 120,000 bbl/day
#70 Virgin Islands: 115,000 bbl/day
#71 Lebanon: 107,000 bbl/day
#72 Jordan: 107,000 bbl/day
#73 Turkmenistan: 95,000 bbl/day
#74 Croatia: 93,000 bbl/day
#75 Tunisia: 89,000 bbl/day
#76 Bangladesh: 85,000 bbl/day
#77 Yemen: 85,000 bbl/day
#78 Serbia and Montenegro: 85,000 bbl/day
#79 Sri Lanka: 82,000 bbl/day
#80 Qatar: 80,000 bbl/day
#81 Panama: 79,000 bbl/day
#82 Slovakia: 74,000 bbl/day
#83 Guatemala: 73,510 bbl/day
#84 Jamaica: 72,080 bbl/day
#85 Netherlands Antilles: 70,000 bbl/day
#86 Sudan: 66,000 bbl/day
#87 Luxembourg: 62,420 bbl/day
#88 Estonia: 60,000 bbl/day
#89 Oman: 60,000 bbl/day
In 2007, the U.S. imported a total of 3.66 billion barrels of oil. Of those 3.66 billion barrles, the U.S. imported from a total of 46 different countries. The top 5 importing countries were: Canada (18.61%), Saudi Arabia (14.50%), Mexico (14.07%), Venezuela (11.48%), and Nigeria (10.80%), for a total of 69.47% of all American imports.
Oil is perhaps the most critical source of energy worldwide. Overall consumption is on the rise as more and more of the world industrialize and start utilizing modern machines. The United States is the largest consumer of oil and consumes over 25% of the world's oil! Here are the top oil consuming nations as provided by the CIA World Factbook (2007 estimates); the values represent the number of barrels consumed per day.
Rank Countries Amount (top to bottom)
#1 United States: 20,730,000 bbl/day
#2 China: 6,534,000 bbl/day
#3 Japan: 5,578,000 bbl/day
#4 Germany: 2,650,000 bbl/day
#5 Russia: 2,500,000 bbl/day
#6 India: 2,450,000 bbl/day
#7 Canada: 2,294,000 bbl/day
#8 Korea, South: 2,149,000 bbl/day
#9 Brazil: 2,100,000 bbl/day
#10 France: 1,970,000 bbl/day
#11 Mexico: 1,970,000 bbl/day
#12 Italy: 1,881,000 bbl/day
#13 Saudi Arabia: 1,845,000 bbl/day
#14 United Kingdom: 1,827,000 bbl/day
#15 Spain: 1,573,000 bbl/day
#16 Iran: 1,510,000 bbl/day
#17 Indonesia: 1,168,000 bbl/day
#18 Taiwan: 965,000 bbl/day
#19 Netherlands: 946,700 bbl/day
#20 Thailand: 900,000 bbl/day
#21 Australia: 877,300 bbl/day
#22 Singapore: 800,000 bbl/day
#23 Turkey: 715,100 bbl/day
#24 Belgium: 641,000 bbl/day
#25 Egypt: 590,000 bbl/day
#26 Venezuela: 560,000 bbl/day
#27 Malaysia: 515,000 bbl/day
#28 South Africa: 502,000 bbl/day
#29 Argentina: 470,000 bbl/day
#30 Poland: 445,700 bbl/day
#31 Greece: 435,700 bbl/day
#32 United Arab Emirates: 400,000 bbl/day
#33 Iraq: 377,000 bbl/day
#34 Sweden: 362,400 bbl/day
#35 Philippines: 342,000 bbl/day
#36 Kuwait: 335,000 bbl/day
#37 Portugal: 332,000 bbl/day
#38 Pakistan: 324,000 bbl/day
#39 Nigeria: 290,000 bbl/day
#40 Hong Kong: 285,000 bbl/day
#41 Ukraine: 284,600 bbl/day
#42 Austria: 282,000 bbl/day
#43 Colombia: 269,000 bbl/day
#44 Switzerland: 268,100 bbl/day
#45 Israel: 249,500 bbl/day
#46 Norway: 244,300 bbl/day
#47 Chile: 238,000 bbl/day
#48 Libya: 237,000 bbl/day
#49 Puerto Rico: 234,000 bbl/day
#50 Algeria: 233,000 bbl/day
#51 Vietnam: 230,000 bbl/day
#52 Syria: 230,000 bbl/day
#53 Kazakhstan: 222,000 bbl/day
#54 Finland: 220,400 bbl/day
#55 Romania: 212,000 bbl/day
#56 Cuba: 204,000 bbl/day
#57 Czech Republic: 203,100 bbl/day
#58 Ireland: 182,400 bbl/day
#59 Denmark: 171,000 bbl/day
#60 Morocco: 170,000 bbl/day
#61 Belarus: 165,000 bbl/day
#62 Peru: 156,000 bbl/day
#63 New Zealand: 150,600 bbl/day
#64 Ecuador: 148,000 bbl/day
#65 Uzbekistan: 148,000 bbl/day
#66 Hungary: 132,000 bbl/day
#67 Bulgaria: 131,400 bbl/day
#68 Dominican Republic: 127,000 bbl/day
#69 Azerbaijan: 120,000 bbl/day
#70 Virgin Islands: 115,000 bbl/day
#71 Lebanon: 107,000 bbl/day
#72 Jordan: 107,000 bbl/day
#73 Turkmenistan: 95,000 bbl/day
#74 Croatia: 93,000 bbl/day
#75 Tunisia: 89,000 bbl/day
#76 Bangladesh: 85,000 bbl/day
#77 Yemen: 85,000 bbl/day
#78 Serbia and Montenegro: 85,000 bbl/day
#79 Sri Lanka: 82,000 bbl/day
#80 Qatar: 80,000 bbl/day
#81 Panama: 79,000 bbl/day
#82 Slovakia: 74,000 bbl/day
#83 Guatemala: 73,510 bbl/day
#84 Jamaica: 72,080 bbl/day
#85 Netherlands Antilles: 70,000 bbl/day
#86 Sudan: 66,000 bbl/day
#87 Luxembourg: 62,420 bbl/day
#88 Estonia: 60,000 bbl/day
#89 Oman: 60,000 bbl/day
How expensive was gas in the United States this time last year? How much was the price of crude oil this time last year? Neither one were even close to prices we are seeing today. If you had bothered to read the small print at the bottom of the CIA fact book article you are citing you would see that China's consumption is increasing at a rate of at least 7% each year and they are predicted, by the early 2020's, to be equal to that of the United States in terms of oil consumption.
I never said that we in the United States were not "oil hog's", however, if you think that everyone driving a Prius is going to possibly stop the price of crude from skyrocketing over the next eight to ten years then you are grossly mistaken.
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