Impressions Of My Genesis Test Drive
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07-30-08, 06:47 AM
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Don't you see that as a rather racist view? Where's that hate going to go when a "Korean" vehicle comes along that, gee, you really can't hate because it's decent? What about "Chinese" vehicles? We know most of them suck today, but it's only a matter of time before they're decent too.
07-30-08, 06:48 AM
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07-30-08, 07:15 AM
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Don't you see that as a rather racist view? Where's that hate going to go when a "Korean" vehicle comes along that, gee, you really can't hate because it's decent? What about "Chinese" vehicles? We know most of them suck today, but it's only a matter of time before they're decent too.
This goes beyond cars, down to clothes, furniture, hell wine.
If we think the Koreans have a tough time with image here, wait until Chinese cars come. We have already witnessed posts/backlash of people refusing to even think about inquiring about one.
07-30-08, 09:14 AM
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07-30-08, 09:40 AM
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Hyundai has improved leaps and bounds and I respect that and I can say the Genesis is a very good car and the coupe really appeals to me.
Much like the POS Fords and Pontiacs my family bought in the 80s and early 90s, Hyundai can kiss my entire *** when it comes to buying one. You had your chance and blew it. DOn't come to me now "oh I'm improved" when Lexus has treated me well from day one.
That is a problem they have along with the American companies. A lot of "burnt" consumers in the past will not give them a chance today.
I am one of them. (and I REALLY like the coupe)
07-30-08, 10:10 AM
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I consider that to be very expensive Hyundai. $40k for a V8 Hyundai just seems like a lot of money to me. There a lot of other cars I can think of buying for that much money. What is the resale value going to be on that car?
07-30-08, 10:38 AM
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Unfortunately perception = reality and many people probably agree with you on the pricing. Still, the fact of the matter is Hyundai now has a few cars in this general price range. The Veracruz SUV is nearly $38k fully-loaded. The Azera and Entourage are nearly $32k fully-loaded. My point being, it's a natural progression in terms of pricing and not a huge leap. It's not like Hyundai pulled a VW and released a car 3x the cost of their average car *cough, Phaeton, cough*.
07-30-08, 10:42 AM
#101
Interesting read so far.
What I've heard
1) some people will never buy Hyundai products period (bad experience or not a good enough brand)
2) some people will not buy the Genesis b/c it will not hold resale value
3) some people will buy / try it b/c it will be a bargain compared to the competition.
I think the driving dynamics will be the big difference maker (rwd, v-6 or v-8). If they are better or equal to the japanese experience (acura, lexus, infiniti), then I think the Hyundai will make inroads.
Also the leasing deals look good if you're worried about resale.
What I've heard
1) some people will never buy Hyundai products period (bad experience or not a good enough brand)
2) some people will not buy the Genesis b/c it will not hold resale value
3) some people will buy / try it b/c it will be a bargain compared to the competition.
I think the driving dynamics will be the big difference maker (rwd, v-6 or v-8). If they are better or equal to the japanese experience (acura, lexus, infiniti), then I think the Hyundai will make inroads.
Also the leasing deals look good if you're worried about resale.
07-30-08, 11:24 AM
#102
Interesting read so far.
What I've heard
1) some people will never buy Hyundai products period (bad experience or not a good enough brand)
2) some people will not buy the Genesis b/c it will not hold resale value
3) some people will buy / try it b/c it will be a bargain compared to the competition.
I think the driving dynamics will be the big difference maker (rwd, v-6 or v-8). If they are better or equal to the japanese experience (acura, lexus, infiniti), then I think the Hyundai will make inroads.
Also the leasing deals look good if you're worried about resale.
What I've heard
1) some people will never buy Hyundai products period (bad experience or not a good enough brand)
2) some people will not buy the Genesis b/c it will not hold resale value
3) some people will buy / try it b/c it will be a bargain compared to the competition.
I think the driving dynamics will be the big difference maker (rwd, v-6 or v-8). If they are better or equal to the japanese experience (acura, lexus, infiniti), then I think the Hyundai will make inroads.
Also the leasing deals look good if you're worried about resale.
I'm one of those that would try it out given the right deal, but I don't think driving dynamics will be the factor here. If there is one thing that Honda/Acura gets right is their cars have good driving dynamics. Infiniti IMHO is the best of the Japanese cars for that right now. If driving dynamics are to be the Genesis deciding factor, I feel it will fail. Over all performance though might be on par or better.
I feel Hyundai as a whole is still another generation away from becoming much more accepted. I believe reliability and quality are just about on par with Honda/Toyota, but the perception is still not there yet since the memories of the 90s cars still linger on. It took a while for people to shed the crappy sheet metal memories they had of the Japanese cars in the 70/early 80s as well.
This particular Genesis is a great first start. While many still may not like it and it does have some short comings, you would have to expect the 2nd generation Genesis will only be an improvement on the first. Given how much improvement Hyundai has made within the last 5 years, I would guess the 2nd Gen Genesis to be pretty darn good and a whole lot better. That is when I think Hyundai will have firmly established themselves.
07-30-08, 03:08 PM
#104
If the handling / driving feel didn't matter then why make a v-8 RWD platform?
I think Hyundai typically makes FWD cars so moving to a RWD platform would have cost them some money.
Hyundai needs to position the product vs the market. If it hangs its hat on reliability and build quality, then it will take years for that to sink in, needing proof that the Genesis is 'Japanese/Lexus/Acura' reliable. If it takes the luxury angle, that's a loser b/c luxury also requires exclusivity and higher price points. If it takes a performance angle, then that is something the press can write about today. Remember the g35 sedan for infiniti (their breakthrough vehicle IMHO)? It got press b/c it drove well and was cheaper than the direct competition. Performance and handling I think are Hyundai's quick path to market. Now can they do it? That's another question
I think Hyundai typically makes FWD cars so moving to a RWD platform would have cost them some money.
Hyundai needs to position the product vs the market. If it hangs its hat on reliability and build quality, then it will take years for that to sink in, needing proof that the Genesis is 'Japanese/Lexus/Acura' reliable. If it takes the luxury angle, that's a loser b/c luxury also requires exclusivity and higher price points. If it takes a performance angle, then that is something the press can write about today. Remember the g35 sedan for infiniti (their breakthrough vehicle IMHO)? It got press b/c it drove well and was cheaper than the direct competition. Performance and handling I think are Hyundai's quick path to market. Now can they do it? That's another question
I'm one of those that would try it out given the right deal, but I don't think driving dynamics will be the factor here. If there is one thing that Honda/Acura gets right is their cars have good driving dynamics. Infiniti IMHO is the best of the Japanese cars for that right now. If driving dynamics are to be the Genesis deciding factor, I feel it will fail. Over all performance though might be on par or better.
I feel Hyundai as a whole is still another generation away from becoming much more accepted. I believe reliability and quality are just about on par with Honda/Toyota, but the perception is still not there yet since the memories of the 90s cars still linger on. It took a while for people to shed the crappy sheet metal memories they had of the Japanese cars in the 70/early 80s as well.
This particular Genesis is a great first start. While many still may not like it and it does have some short comings, you would have to expect the 2nd generation Genesis will only be an improvement on the first. Given how much improvement Hyundai has made within the last 5 years, I would guess the 2nd Gen Genesis to be pretty darn good and a whole lot better. That is when I think Hyundai will have firmly established themselves.
I feel Hyundai as a whole is still another generation away from becoming much more accepted. I believe reliability and quality are just about on par with Honda/Toyota, but the perception is still not there yet since the memories of the 90s cars still linger on. It took a while for people to shed the crappy sheet metal memories they had of the Japanese cars in the 70/early 80s as well.
This particular Genesis is a great first start. While many still may not like it and it does have some short comings, you would have to expect the 2nd generation Genesis will only be an improvement on the first. Given how much improvement Hyundai has made within the last 5 years, I would guess the 2nd Gen Genesis to be pretty darn good and a whole lot better. That is when I think Hyundai will have firmly established themselves.
07-30-08, 03:59 PM
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If the handling / driving feel didn't matter then why make a v-8 RWD platform?
I think Hyundai typically makes FWD cars so moving to a RWD platform would have cost them some money.
Hyundai needs to position the product vs the market. If it hangs its hat on reliability and build quality, then it will take years for that to sink in, needing proof that the Genesis is 'Japanese/Lexus/Acura' reliable. If it takes the luxury angle, that's a loser b/c luxury also requires exclusivity and higher price points. If it takes a performance angle, then that is something the press can write about today. Remember the g35 sedan for infiniti (their breakthrough vehicle IMHO)? It got press b/c it drove well and was cheaper than the direct competition. Performance and handling I think are Hyundai's quick path to market. Now can they do it? That's another question
I think Hyundai typically makes FWD cars so moving to a RWD platform would have cost them some money.
Hyundai needs to position the product vs the market. If it hangs its hat on reliability and build quality, then it will take years for that to sink in, needing proof that the Genesis is 'Japanese/Lexus/Acura' reliable. If it takes the luxury angle, that's a loser b/c luxury also requires exclusivity and higher price points. If it takes a performance angle, then that is something the press can write about today. Remember the g35 sedan for infiniti (their breakthrough vehicle IMHO)? It got press b/c it drove well and was cheaper than the direct competition. Performance and handling I think are Hyundai's quick path to market. Now can they do it? That's another question
The Genesis blurs the line for Hyundai and the car has attributes that are very appealing to people, especially considering some competition doesn't offer it.