Toyota Supra
07-31-08, 06:09 AM
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"The car shares the same chassis as the MKIV 1993-1998 model Toyota Supra. Both cars suspension, brakes, drivetrains, and engine parts are interchangeable."
http://www.cars-directory.net/history/toyota/soarer/
While the Supra is/was a solid 90's sports car it did share the major components with the SC which is definitely a luxury Sport Coupe.
Yes it was built with a purpose... to compete w/ the RX-7, 3000GT, & 300ZX, but it was not an 'all-out' sports car.
07-31-08, 06:46 AM
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Hold on a minute there professor...
"The car shares the same chassis as the MKIV 1993-1998 model Toyota Supra. Both cars suspension, brakes, drivetrains, and engine parts are interchangeable."
http://www.cars-directory.net/history/toyota/soarer/
While the Supra is/was a solid 90's sports car it did share the major components with the SC which is definitely a luxury Sport Coupe.
Yes it was built with a purpose... to compete w/ the RX-7, 3000GT, & 300ZX, but it was not an 'all-out' sports car.
"The car shares the same chassis as the MKIV 1993-1998 model Toyota Supra. Both cars suspension, brakes, drivetrains, and engine parts are interchangeable."
http://www.cars-directory.net/history/toyota/soarer/
While the Supra is/was a solid 90's sports car it did share the major components with the SC which is definitely a luxury Sport Coupe.
Yes it was built with a purpose... to compete w/ the RX-7, 3000GT, & 300ZX, but it was not an 'all-out' sports car.
07-31-08, 09:54 AM
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While the IS-F does weigh some 300lbs more than a Supra TT, the Supra did have ABS and traction control. The ISx50 is quite heavy as a platform (3500lbs just about the same as the Supra) to begin with. It also isn't a fair comparison because they're quite different in target. The Supra was an overbuilt all out sports car, hardly luxurious. The IS-F is a high output sports luxury sedan.
I would say it has something to do with the fact that the Supra TT had a manual transmission able to throw a lot more of it's power down. Given the IS-F has lockable gears it is still an automatic which does reduce the actual power to the wheels.
The Supra also had an LSD.
I would say it has something to do with the fact that the Supra TT had a manual transmission able to throw a lot more of it's power down. Given the IS-F has lockable gears it is still an automatic which does reduce the actual power to the wheels.
The Supra also had an LSD.
07-31-08, 10:37 AM
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I would take a Supra over an IS-F any day of the week. The IS-F is still a lexus attempt at being a sports car. There is still no option for a manual tranny. Lexus needs to come out with a nice gearbox besides their automatics.
07-31-08, 10:41 AM
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Don't get me wrong, my last 4 sports cars (Lance Evo IX, Honda S2000, 2 Supra TTs) had manual and I loved them when I drove them at the track. But on the streets, I'd love to get a DSG / manumatic anyday!
07-31-08, 11:57 AM
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a shifter with 9 slots would look wierd.
07-31-08, 12:44 PM
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Supra was a GT car, and the odometer is scary-easy to disconnect, which is part of the reason I gave up hope on finding a clean one after I sold my '97 6-spd. Lexus DOES need a manual tranny, or a bonafide DSG tranny. This manumatic **** is a waste of time. LSD should also be a given in any performance car. Supra > IS-F
07-31-08, 12:59 PM
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Now you can get one pretty cheap my co-worker just pick up a 93 TT auto with 160k miles clean title for 11 or 12k... even with 160k these thing still run pretty strong...
07-31-08, 01:06 PM
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the Supra had:
-ABS
-Traction control
-Driver and Passenger airbags
-3,445lbs curb weight
-0-60mph in 4.9s
-0.98g
the IS-F:
-96+hp more (a decent bit more if u use the same standard as was used for the supra)
-56+ lb/ft of torque
-Driver, Passenger, Head, Side, and perhaps more airbags
-4 doors
-3,780lbs curb weight
-0-60 in 4.6s
15 years...and 0.3s, granted, the IS-F is a lovely car, but until toyota comes out with a true purpose built sports car, you can't really compare....
-ABS
-Traction control
-Driver and Passenger airbags
-3,445lbs curb weight
-0-60mph in 4.9s
-0.98g
the IS-F:
-96+hp more (a decent bit more if u use the same standard as was used for the supra)
-56+ lb/ft of torque
-Driver, Passenger, Head, Side, and perhaps more airbags
-4 doors
-3,780lbs curb weight
-0-60 in 4.6s
15 years...and 0.3s, granted, the IS-F is a lovely car, but until toyota comes out with a true purpose built sports car, you can't really compare....
07-31-08, 01:09 PM
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I'm curious on your answers, but why do they need a manual tranny? Are there customers going to go racing? Do people missing heal and toeing in traffic that much? Or is this just a ego thing that screams, "yes, i'm a real sports car (albeit i can't drive like one)".
Don't get me wrong, my last 4 sports cars (Lance Evo IX, Honda S2000, 2 Supra TTs) had manual and I loved them when I drove them at the track. But on the streets, I'd love to get a DSG / manumatic anyday!
Don't get me wrong, my last 4 sports cars (Lance Evo IX, Honda S2000, 2 Supra TTs) had manual and I loved them when I drove them at the track. But on the streets, I'd love to get a DSG / manumatic anyday!
But if I lived near a lot of traffic, no way I'd want a stick.
Oh and on a track I'd want DSG
One less thing to think about.
07-31-08, 01:51 PM
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) but I just enjoy driving stick more then auto. I like the control over my own gear changes.
07-31-08, 02:36 PM
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The whole manual transmission is just more fun. This is coming from someone who just recently crossed over from automatics. I now have a stick and love it. I have driven a Lambo with their E-transmission and it just doesn't feel right. Many people will disagree with me but after driving a car with three pedals and taking the time to learn how to do it right. I can say this, there is no skill involved in a paddle shifter transmission like the IS-F or IS350. There is skill revolved around driving an old fashion 6 speed gearbox. It is fun, you have more engine feel it requires work. At the end of the drive you feel like you drove a car instead of being driven to a location.
07-31-08, 02:46 PM
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The whole manual transmission is just more fun. This is coming from someone who just recently crossed over from automatics. I now have a stick and love it. I have driven a Lambo with their E-transmission and it just doesn't feel right. Many people will disagree with me but after driving a car with three pedals and taking the time to learn how to do it right. I can say this, there is no skill involved in a paddle shifter transmission like the IS-F or IS350. There is skill revolved around driving an old fashion 6 speed gearbox. It is fun, you have more engine feel it requires work. At the end of the drive you feel like you drove a car instead of being driven to a location.
As I said, I can understand the fascination with sticks on a track...but on the streets? Even when i was driving around with my 500hp Evo, i never found myself wanting a stick for the street (and again, i come from a background of tracking cars / racing bikes). There is no skill driving around on the street on a stick (it took me about 1 hour to learn riding one when i first bought mine). Yes, throttle blipping for a perfect double clutch heal and toe rev match is fun at first, but after time, who cares unless you are at the track....I'm not dissing you, just don't understand the fascination with a stick on the street and find it more to be an ego thing than anything else.....