Gojirra99

^^ well, it's a SPORTS car afterall he's looking at, yes, there are other criteria to consider, but why shouldn't speed be a top priority ?

mmarshall

Because, like I indicated in the last post, a worn-out engine or transmission isn't going to give you much in the way of speed. The physical condition of the car is the most important thing...especially with used sports cars, which often have been driven hard and/or had abuse. You should check a used car out as much as possible with your eyes and ears, then (if desired) have a techincian look at it............THEN concern yourself with its performance figures.

You are free, of course, to disagree with me, but I see THIS order as top priority, not the reverse.

Gojirra99

Checking for whether the car is in good shape applies to INDIVIDUAL used cars as you find them available in used lots. What he is asking is the 0-60 times of the car model when it's released-which apply to ALL samples in general, not individual car. So your answer to his post is not really talking about the same thing he is asking

mmarshall

OK, not worth arguing about. Just my $.02.

For the record, though, I remember when the mid-90's Supras were new, though different magazines and test organizations got different times depending on conditions, in general, manual twin-turbo versions, stock, after break-in, usually did 0-60 between 5.0-5.5 seconds. Quarter-miles were around 13 seconds.

carguy101

Making profits is all good, but it's just sad that the biggest and by far the richest car company in the world doesn't have a single fun car in its lineup.

speedflex

So if this is true then Toyota is obviously content to continue to neglect the Asian car enthusiast sector and let it be entertained by Nissan and Mazda (and to a lesser extent Honda).

"The forecast for Toyota is dull with a 90% chance of totally boring. Back to you, Jim."

ST430

AE86 successor anyone....?

ST430

I guess IS-F isn't fun to you?

GS69

Maybe he meant Toyota as in just Toyota & not Lexus/Scion.

UberNoob

noooooooooooo theres goes my FT-HS dream...........
ugh such a disappointing speculation
im just hoping its false

mmarshall

I did an IS-F review a few months ago. Its powertrain is responsive, yes.....especially starting at 3500-4000 RPM.......but, unless you are on a glass-smooth road, the suspension is far too stiff. Toyota/Lexus engineers simply cannot combine ride/handling and chassis dynamics the way that BMW and Mercedes engineers do by giving great handling without a bone-jarring ride.

I have seen this in other Toyota products as well (especially Supras and MR2s). Great handling, unlike BMW, usually goes with an overly-stiff ride.

bitkahuna

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You don't find the 'S' version of the Corolla with it's plastic bits tacked on for oh, a good 10HP to be 'fun'?

ST430

Different strokes for different folks i guess....maybe it's because I'm much younger than you, but after owning 2 Supra TT's, i found the ride to be one of the softest rides for a real sports car. My previous S2000 and especially my Evo was much more stiff....

mmarshall

Did you mean the Corolla XRS?

mmarshall

No arguments on the Evo (haven't driven an S2000 for a while). The Evo will shake your fillings out over bumps. Even auto enthusiast magazines like Car & Driver/Road & Track complain it is too stiff.

The front suspension on the IS-F wasn't quite the stiffest I've seen, but the rear suspension.....with the rear driveshafts and more unspring weight under it.....is stiff enough to make the rear end hop up and down over highway bumps like a porpoise; to the point of being skittish. It has almost no give at all.

I'm not a terribly big BMW fan, for a several reasons, but drive a couple of new (and not-so-new) ones and I think you'll agree that no one does steering/chassis/suspensions like they do, though a couple of other cars come close.