Toyota Announces Prices for 2009 RAV4 SUV (Page 2)
08-03-08, 08:36 PM
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Some quick info from another forum...
Originally Posted by nmehes
Toyota is pleased to announce the introduction of an all new, 2.5L, 4-cylinder engine. The 2AR-FE will replace the current 2.4L, 4-cylinder (2AZ-FE) in the RAV4. Significant improvements in both power and efficiency have been achieved. The new engine features Dual VVT-i, a variable length intake manifold system (ACIS), a 3-stage variable oil pump and other state-of-the-art, highly efficient, lightweight and clean emission technologies such as Tumble Control Valves (TCV). As a result, horsepower increases by 13hp to 179 and torque improves by 7 lb-ft to 172. In addition to greater performance, a marked improvement in fuel economy has also been achieved. Combined city/highway fuel consumption for the 2.5L equipped RAV4 is rated at 8.6L/100km. (9.7l city 7.2l highway) This represents a 4.4% improvement over the 2008MY RAV4 equipped with the outgoing 2.4L engine.
With 179hp, the new 2.5L will have the highest horsepower rating among naturally-aspirated 4-cylinder equipped models in the segment. In addition, the 4-cylinder equipped RAV4 will also be one of the most fuel efficient, non-hybrid Compact SUV's in the market.
With 179hp, the new 2.5L will have the highest horsepower rating among naturally-aspirated 4-cylinder equipped models in the segment. In addition, the 4-cylinder equipped RAV4 will also be one of the most fuel efficient, non-hybrid Compact SUV's in the market.
Originally Posted by vasia
Yes, it does seem that the 2.5L 2AR-FE makes 179-180HP. This means no Valvematic. With Valvematic, this engine would have been making roughly 198-200HP. Looking at the numbers now for the 2AR, the 2.7L 1AR in the Venza will make roughly 193HP and 186 lb-ft (assuming no Valvematic, mechanically same as 2AR). The only question is whether or not the 1AR will have Valvematic. With Valvematic, it would make roughly 214HP.
Also, based on converting the Canadian fuel economy numbers for the 2AR, the EPA estimates for the 2009 Rav4 with the 2.5L 2AR should roughly be this:
2WD: 22/29 EPA (compared to 21/27 EPA for 08 Rav 4 2WD 4 cyl, an improvement of roughly 4%)
4WD: 21/27 EPA (compared to 20/25 EPA for 08 Rav 4 4WD 4 cyl, an improvement of roughly 7%)
This would indisputedly make the Rav 4 with the 2.5L best-in-class in terms of fuel economy. So the engine brings BOTH increased power, as well as increased economy. I will also bet the 2AR is cheaper to manufacture, more reliable, and more refined than the average 2AZ it is replacing.
This is almost guaranteed to be the same engine that will be in the 2010 Camry replacing the 2AZ as well. The Camry could see even bigger fuel economy gains with the 2.5L than the Rav as the Camry has less frontal area, and therefore less drag to deal with. I estimate the 2010 Camry 4 cyl will achieve 22/34 EPA (assuming a 4 speed auto). If the 6 speed/2.5L combo is true, then the Camry 4 cyl could possibly achieve 24/35 EPA. . This also means the 2010 Camry 4 cyl will have considerably more torque than the 4 cyl Accord, not to mention be more fuel efficient and very likely more refined.
Last but not least, I have managed to find some pics of the 2AR-FE, the 1NR-FE (the new 1.3L engine) and also the long-awaited new compact 6 speed manual for FWD applications.
2AR-FE:
The 3-stage variable oil pump sounds interesting, especially how it will benefit the engine when it's pushed hard. The intake manifold looks like a much better design than what the 2AZ has.
1NR-FE (with stop-start functionality):
Estimates from Toyota insiders are saying the 1NR-FE will make roughly 99-100HP. Fuel economy will surely be class-leading among small (less than 1.5L) 4 cyl gas engines.
6 Speed Manual for FWD cars:
A very compact-looking unit. Hopefully this will see widespread use among Toyota's model lineup in the US, and not just overseas.
It's almost guaranteed this manual will see widespread use among 4 cyl models, and the only question is if it will be mated to 6 cyl models. Those wanting to see a manual Camry V6 SE, there is still hope.
EDIT: it appears final numbers for the 2AR may be 180HP/173 lb-ft, not 179/172. Venza 2.7L estimated numbers should be roughly 194HP/187 lb-ft.
Also after some digging around, it appears the transmission choices for the 4 cyl models will remain unchanged. So the new 2AR will make do with the old transmissions on the Rav 4. It may be disappointing to some, but I think the new engine will match up better with the transmissions. Also it's impressive that the new engine will achieve such fuel economy figures with only a 4 speed tranny (if true).
Also, based on converting the Canadian fuel economy numbers for the 2AR, the EPA estimates for the 2009 Rav4 with the 2.5L 2AR should roughly be this:
2WD: 22/29 EPA (compared to 21/27 EPA for 08 Rav 4 2WD 4 cyl, an improvement of roughly 4%)
4WD: 21/27 EPA (compared to 20/25 EPA for 08 Rav 4 4WD 4 cyl, an improvement of roughly 7%)
This would indisputedly make the Rav 4 with the 2.5L best-in-class in terms of fuel economy. So the engine brings BOTH increased power, as well as increased economy. I will also bet the 2AR is cheaper to manufacture, more reliable, and more refined than the average 2AZ it is replacing.
This is almost guaranteed to be the same engine that will be in the 2010 Camry replacing the 2AZ as well. The Camry could see even bigger fuel economy gains with the 2.5L than the Rav as the Camry has less frontal area, and therefore less drag to deal with. I estimate the 2010 Camry 4 cyl will achieve 22/34 EPA (assuming a 4 speed auto). If the 6 speed/2.5L combo is true, then the Camry 4 cyl could possibly achieve 24/35 EPA. . This also means the 2010 Camry 4 cyl will have considerably more torque than the 4 cyl Accord, not to mention be more fuel efficient and very likely more refined.
Last but not least, I have managed to find some pics of the 2AR-FE, the 1NR-FE (the new 1.3L engine) and also the long-awaited new compact 6 speed manual for FWD applications.
2AR-FE:
The 3-stage variable oil pump sounds interesting, especially how it will benefit the engine when it's pushed hard. The intake manifold looks like a much better design than what the 2AZ has.
1NR-FE (with stop-start functionality):
Estimates from Toyota insiders are saying the 1NR-FE will make roughly 99-100HP. Fuel economy will surely be class-leading among small (less than 1.5L) 4 cyl gas engines.
6 Speed Manual for FWD cars:
A very compact-looking unit. Hopefully this will see widespread use among Toyota's model lineup in the US, and not just overseas.
It's almost guaranteed this manual will see widespread use among 4 cyl models, and the only question is if it will be mated to 6 cyl models. Those wanting to see a manual Camry V6 SE, there is still hope.
EDIT: it appears final numbers for the 2AR may be 180HP/173 lb-ft, not 179/172. Venza 2.7L estimated numbers should be roughly 194HP/187 lb-ft.
Also after some digging around, it appears the transmission choices for the 4 cyl models will remain unchanged. So the new 2AR will make do with the old transmissions on the Rav 4. It may be disappointing to some, but I think the new engine will match up better with the transmissions. Also it's impressive that the new engine will achieve such fuel economy figures with only a 4 speed tranny (if true).
08-03-08, 10:30 PM
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So Im wondering if they direct injected this engine if it would be as powerful as the 2.5L found in the IS250, which I would think weighs more given the 2 extra cylinders. Hmmmm.....
08-04-08, 09:02 AM
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Wow, I like the sound of the new engines Toyota will be releasing soon, if only the Corolla XRS and Matrix XRS had those new 2.5 in them, it would have made them look more like a contender in that segment
08-04-08, 12:03 PM
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That's clearly a doctored photograph. Look at those two vehicles. They are identical except for the grille and front hood line...........not to mention the fact that both of them remind me of a chipmunk with its mouth full of seeds. 
08-04-08, 02:27 PM
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Yes, it does seem that the 2.5L 2AR-FE makes 179-180HP. This means no Valvematic. With Valvematic, this engine would have been making roughly 198-200HP. Looking at the numbers now for the 2AR, the 2.7L 1AR in the Venza will make roughly 193HP and 186 lb-ft (assuming no Valvematic, mechanically same as 2AR). The only question is whether or not the 1AR will have Valvematic. With Valvematic, it would make roughly 214HP.
Also, based on converting the Canadian fuel economy numbers for the 2AR, the EPA estimates for the 2009 Rav4 with the 2.5L 2AR should roughly be this:
2WD: 22/29 EPA (compared to 21/27 EPA for 08 Rav 4 2WD 4 cyl, an improvement of roughly 4%)
4WD: 21/27 EPA (compared to 20/25 EPA for 08 Rav 4 4WD 4 cyl, an improvement of roughly 7%)
Also, based on converting the Canadian fuel economy numbers for the 2AR, the EPA estimates for the 2009 Rav4 with the 2.5L 2AR should roughly be this:
2WD: 22/29 EPA (compared to 21/27 EPA for 08 Rav 4 2WD 4 cyl, an improvement of roughly 4%)
4WD: 21/27 EPA (compared to 20/25 EPA for 08 Rav 4 4WD 4 cyl, an improvement of roughly 7%)
08-05-08, 09:01 AM
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Not counting the numerous reliability issues on the QR25DE, this Toyota 2.5L still makes more HP and is very likely to be more fuel efficient than the QR25DE. Also lets not forget there is alot of controversy about the QR25DE power and torque figures being overstated by Nissan.
08-05-08, 10:27 AM
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I haven't heard any controversy about the Nissan 2.5L power figures being overstated.
In tests, the Altima 4 banger is consistently a half second to a full second faster than its competition. That is a significant difference.
In C&D's comparo, the Altima 4 (175 hp) went from 0 to 60 in 7.8s, while the Accord 4 (190 hp) went from 0 to 60 in 8.2s. Doesn't seem to me that Nissan overstated anything.
Anyways, I'm disappointed that a brand new Toyota 2.5L engine seems to have about the same overall power as an 8 year old Nissan 2.5L engine.
Nissan 2.5: 175/180
Toyota 2.5: 180/173
In tests, the Altima 4 banger is consistently a half second to a full second faster than its competition. That is a significant difference.
In C&D's comparo, the Altima 4 (175 hp) went from 0 to 60 in 7.8s, while the Accord 4 (190 hp) went from 0 to 60 in 8.2s. Doesn't seem to me that Nissan overstated anything.
Anyways, I'm disappointed that a brand new Toyota 2.5L engine seems to have about the same overall power as an 8 year old Nissan 2.5L engine.
Nissan 2.5: 175/180
Toyota 2.5: 180/173
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08-05-08, 03:04 PM
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Toyota Announces Prices for 2009 RAV4 SUV
TORRANCE, CA UNITED STATES
TORRANCE, Calif., Aug. 5 /PRNewswire/ -- Toyota Motor Sales (TMS),
U.S.A., Inc., announced manufacturer's suggested retail prices (MSRP) today
for the 2009 RAV4 compact sport utility vehicle (SUV).
Equipped with numerous enhancements for 2009, the average MSRP for the
RAV4 will increase by $224, or 0.9 percent. The 2009 RAV4 will begin
arriving at Toyota dealerships in early September.
The 2009 RAV4 is offered in three distinct grades -- Base,
performance-oriented Sport and top-of-the-line Limited -- and with a choice
between an all-new four-cylinder and powerful V6 engines with either
front-wheel drive or electronic on-demand four-wheel-drive.
The base MSRP for the 2009 RAV4 ranges from $21,500 for the Base grade
front-wheel-drive with a four-cylinder engine to $27,810 for the Limited
grade four-wheel-drive with a V6 engine. Prices for all Base grade models
remain unchanged from 2008, reflecting RAV4's excellent value.
All models will also offer Extra Value Packages containing many of
RAV4's most popular stand alone option features at substantial savings.
Savings on Extra Value Packages for all three grades range from $570 on
Base, $1,000 on the Sport, and $2,000 on Limited.
For 2009, RAV4 adds an all-new 2.5-liter four-cylinder engine that is
more powerful and more fuel efficient than the previous 2.4-liter engine.
In addition, all RAV4 models feature numerous interior upgrades and a
stylish new Sport Appearance Package is available for the 4WD V6 model.
All RAV4 models provide enhanced safety and security with the addition
of standard front seat active headrests and an engine immobilizer. Comfort,
convenience and user technology are also significantly enhanced in 2009
RAV4 models. The Limited grade adds a new standard Smart Entry system that
allows the driver to open the vehicle by simply carrying the key fob and
grasping the door handle. The Sport and Limited grades offer an available
integrated backup camera linked to an electrochromic mirror. Integrated XM
satellite radio is a new feature for 2009, and the Sport and Limited grades
offer a new low-cost navigation system. All RAV4 models have new standard
seat fabric, and the Sport grade exclusively offers a new, unique Charcoal
leather option.
Externally, the design of the 2009 RAV4 is freshened with new front and
rear styling with a revised grille and front bumper, improved fog light
trims and redesigned tail lamps. All models, except the 4WD V6 with the new
Sport Appearance Package, include a redesigned rear step bumper with a
black protector molding while the Sport Appearance Package receives a clear
rear bumper protector. The Base and Limited grades feature new 17-inch
alloy wheel designs, and the Limited also adds overfenders, new color-keyed
power heated turn signal side mirrors and a unique grille design with
chrome accents. The Sport grade adds a unique redesigned rear spoiler.
The Sport Appearance Package available for the 4WD V6 RAV4 model
includes an exclusive look with a redesigned rear door featuring chrome
accents and no spare tire. The package equips the RAV4 with run-flat tires.
Other external cues include color-keyed power heated side mirrors with
integrated turn signals, a stainless steel exhaust tip, unique badging, and
the choice of an exclusive exterior color, Elusive Blue Metallic. Inside,
the Sport Appearance Package adds a chrome accented shift **** with leather
insert, chrome interior door handles, parking brake and vent trim, unique
sport grade doorsills and available sport floor mats.
The Sport Appearance Package includes an AM/FM six-disc CD changer with
six speakers, MP3/WMA playback capability and integrated XM(R) Satellite
Radio with a one-year extended complementary service subscription.
The RAV4's standard all-new 2.5-liter four-cylinder engine is a
low-friction design optimized for performance and fuel efficiency. It
produces 179 horsepower at 6,000 RPM, along with 172 lb.-ft. of torque at
4,000 RPM (versus 166 horsepower and 165 lb.-ft. of peak torque of the
previous 2.4-liter engine). The 2.5-liter engine employs Dual independent
Variable Valve Timing with intelligence (VVT-i), which controls timing on
both the intake and exhaust camshafts (compared to the intake-only previous
2.4-liter engine).
The redesigned four-cylinder engine is partnered with a new four-speed
electronically controlled automatic transmission that is more compact,
lightweight and efficient than the previous four-speed transmission. The
new transmission is not only smoother in operation than the previous one,
but more responsive as well. Fuel efficiency is excellent for its class and
improved over the 2008 model with EPA mpg estimates of 22 city/28 highway
on 4x2 models and 21 city/27 highway on 4x4 models.
The available 3.5-liter V6 is the powerhouse of its segment, generating
a class-leading 269 horsepower at 6,200 RPM and 246 lb.-ft. of peak torque
at 4,700 RPM. The V6 is also equipped with dual independent VVT-i to
maximize performance and efficiency while reducing emissions. Equipped
exclusively with a gated-shift five-speed automatic transmission, the V6
RAV4 models offer greater fuel efficiency compared to less powerful
competitors. The V6 RAV4 can accelerate from zero-to-60 mph in under seven
seconds, yet has estimated EPA fuel economy mpg ratings of 19 city/27
highway for 4x2 models and 19 city/26 highway for 4x4 models. All RAV4
models meet Ultra Low Emission Vehicle (ULEV II) certification.
SOURCE Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc.
TORRANCE, Calif., Aug. 5 /PRNewswire/ -- Toyota Motor Sales (TMS),
U.S.A., Inc., announced manufacturer's suggested retail prices (MSRP) today
for the 2009 RAV4 compact sport utility vehicle (SUV).
Equipped with numerous enhancements for 2009, the average MSRP for the
RAV4 will increase by $224, or 0.9 percent. The 2009 RAV4 will begin
arriving at Toyota dealerships in early September.
The 2009 RAV4 is offered in three distinct grades -- Base,
performance-oriented Sport and top-of-the-line Limited -- and with a choice
between an all-new four-cylinder and powerful V6 engines with either
front-wheel drive or electronic on-demand four-wheel-drive.
The base MSRP for the 2009 RAV4 ranges from $21,500 for the Base grade
front-wheel-drive with a four-cylinder engine to $27,810 for the Limited
grade four-wheel-drive with a V6 engine. Prices for all Base grade models
remain unchanged from 2008, reflecting RAV4's excellent value.
All models will also offer Extra Value Packages containing many of
RAV4's most popular stand alone option features at substantial savings.
Savings on Extra Value Packages for all three grades range from $570 on
Base, $1,000 on the Sport, and $2,000 on Limited.
For 2009, RAV4 adds an all-new 2.5-liter four-cylinder engine that is
more powerful and more fuel efficient than the previous 2.4-liter engine.
In addition, all RAV4 models feature numerous interior upgrades and a
stylish new Sport Appearance Package is available for the 4WD V6 model.
All RAV4 models provide enhanced safety and security with the addition
of standard front seat active headrests and an engine immobilizer. Comfort,
convenience and user technology are also significantly enhanced in 2009
RAV4 models. The Limited grade adds a new standard Smart Entry system that
allows the driver to open the vehicle by simply carrying the key fob and
grasping the door handle. The Sport and Limited grades offer an available
integrated backup camera linked to an electrochromic mirror. Integrated XM
satellite radio is a new feature for 2009, and the Sport and Limited grades
offer a new low-cost navigation system. All RAV4 models have new standard
seat fabric, and the Sport grade exclusively offers a new, unique Charcoal
leather option.
Externally, the design of the 2009 RAV4 is freshened with new front and
rear styling with a revised grille and front bumper, improved fog light
trims and redesigned tail lamps. All models, except the 4WD V6 with the new
Sport Appearance Package, include a redesigned rear step bumper with a
black protector molding while the Sport Appearance Package receives a clear
rear bumper protector. The Base and Limited grades feature new 17-inch
alloy wheel designs, and the Limited also adds overfenders, new color-keyed
power heated turn signal side mirrors and a unique grille design with
chrome accents. The Sport grade adds a unique redesigned rear spoiler.
The Sport Appearance Package available for the 4WD V6 RAV4 model
includes an exclusive look with a redesigned rear door featuring chrome
accents and no spare tire. The package equips the RAV4 with run-flat tires.
Other external cues include color-keyed power heated side mirrors with
integrated turn signals, a stainless steel exhaust tip, unique badging, and
the choice of an exclusive exterior color, Elusive Blue Metallic. Inside,
the Sport Appearance Package adds a chrome accented shift **** with leather
insert, chrome interior door handles, parking brake and vent trim, unique
sport grade doorsills and available sport floor mats.
The Sport Appearance Package includes an AM/FM six-disc CD changer with
six speakers, MP3/WMA playback capability and integrated XM(R) Satellite
Radio with a one-year extended complementary service subscription.
The RAV4's standard all-new 2.5-liter four-cylinder engine is a
low-friction design optimized for performance and fuel efficiency. It
produces 179 horsepower at 6,000 RPM, along with 172 lb.-ft. of torque at
4,000 RPM (versus 166 horsepower and 165 lb.-ft. of peak torque of the
previous 2.4-liter engine). The 2.5-liter engine employs Dual independent
Variable Valve Timing with intelligence (VVT-i), which controls timing on
both the intake and exhaust camshafts (compared to the intake-only previous
2.4-liter engine).
The redesigned four-cylinder engine is partnered with a new four-speed
electronically controlled automatic transmission that is more compact,
lightweight and efficient than the previous four-speed transmission. The
new transmission is not only smoother in operation than the previous one,
but more responsive as well. Fuel efficiency is excellent for its class and
improved over the 2008 model with EPA mpg estimates of 22 city/28 highway
on 4x2 models and 21 city/27 highway on 4x4 models.
The available 3.5-liter V6 is the powerhouse of its segment, generating
a class-leading 269 horsepower at 6,200 RPM and 246 lb.-ft. of peak torque
at 4,700 RPM. The V6 is also equipped with dual independent VVT-i to
maximize performance and efficiency while reducing emissions. Equipped
exclusively with a gated-shift five-speed automatic transmission, the V6
RAV4 models offer greater fuel efficiency compared to less powerful
competitors. The V6 RAV4 can accelerate from zero-to-60 mph in under seven
seconds, yet has estimated EPA fuel economy mpg ratings of 19 city/27
highway for 4x2 models and 19 city/26 highway for 4x4 models. All RAV4
models meet Ultra Low Emission Vehicle (ULEV II) certification.
Code:
Body 2008 MSRP 2009 MSRP %
Grade Doors Style Trans MSRP Changes MSRP Increase
RAV4 Base L4 4x2 4 SUV 4AT $21,500 $- $21,500 0.0 %
RAV4 Sport L4 4x2 4 SUV 4AT $23,075 $125 $23,200 0.5 %
RAV4 LTD L4 4x2 4 SUV 4AT $23,755 $735 $24,490 3.1 %
RAV4 Base L4 4x4 4 SUV 4AT $22,900 $- $22,900 0.0 %
RAV4 Sport L4 4x4 4 SUV 4AT $24,475 $125 $24,600 0.5 %
RAV4 LTD L4 4x4 4 SUV 4AT $25,155 $725 $25,880 2.9 %
RAV4 Base V6 4x2 4 SUV 5AT $23,535 $- $23,535 0.0 %
RAV4 Sport V6 4x2 4 SUV 5AT $24,990 $140 $25,130 0.6 %
RAV4 LTD V6 4x2 4 SUV 5AT $25,670 $740 $26,410 2.9 %
RAV4 Base V6 4x4 4 SUV 5AT $24,935 $- $24,935 0.0 %
RAV4 Sport V6 4x4 4 SUV 5AT $26,390 $140 $26,530 0.5 %
RAV4 LTD V6 4x4 4 SUV 5AT $27,070 $740 $27,810 2.7 %
