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Old 08-04-08 | 08:13 AM
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Posted Aug 4th 2008 7:58AM

Acura line to grow, new model to bow before 2010



Image: Photoshopped Acura TL coupe courtesy of Acurazine.

Acura's aim of becoming a "Tier 1" luxury brand has been thwarted by a lineup that some view as nothing more than decked-out Hondas. Dan Bonawitz, Honda's vice president of corporate planning and logistics believes that broadening Acura's line of vehicles is the way to compete with Audi, BMW and Mercedes.

The first step is to introduce an all-new vehicle that will arrive before the new NSX in 2010. A coupe is a possibility, filling the gap left by the dearly departed RSX and older CL. A retractable hardtop could be part of the package, and there's also talk of a four-door "coupe" that could contend with the M-B CLS and Audi's upcoming A7.

Whatever it is, it needs to be packing more than a just a four-pot driving the front wheels. A serious competitor the 1-series would be a welcome addition to the Acura line, and would fulfill the automaker's previous claim of pursuing niches generally left unfilled by other luxury brands.

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Step 1: hire new designers...
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wow i just barfed on my keyboard yes i know its a photoshop
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Step 2--Make a Flagship car that's actually a Flagship:

From Car and Driver.com






Acura - Car News
What's New for 2009.

July 2008
2009 Acura RL SH-AWD - Short Take Road Test
Still a joy to drive, Acura's flagship gets a frying pan to the face.


Acura kicked its sleepy RL in the fanny with a 2005 redesign that ended the era of the Japanese Lincoln. Stone-sharpened styling, a 300-hp V-6, and a newfangled, yaw-inducing all-wheel-drive system suddenly made the RL a switchback hound among $50,000 luxury sedans.

Dandelions grew at dealers. Sales have slipped every year since 2005, to a low of 6262 cars last year. Meanwhile, arch-rival Lexus outsold the RL by more than three to one with its similarly priced GS350.

Instead of a kick in the pants, Acura is trying a frying pan to the face. The rearranging of the RL’s kisser for ’09 nudges it back toward Lincoln-like lassitude, with a squared-up nose, monster grille blade, and puffed-out front shoulders. Augmented by injections of chrome and bright plastic, the front and rear ends bristle with new bling.

Always the small fry in its class, the RL now evinces a more imperious—Imperial? New Yorker?—look, especially on its 18-inch wheels (17s were standard before). It’s a mirage; the dimensions barely change. The revised sheetmetal and bumpers add 2.2 inches to the overall length, but the cozy 110.2-inch wheelbase, tight back seat, and modest 13-cubic-foot trunk remain. The long list of standard equipment carries over, so look very close to see the new RL’s interior upgrades, including a fancier shifter and new front buckets with greater adjustability. A new interior noise-canceling system really does suck up the road rumble.

The RL shares its V-6, upsized in both bore and stroke from 3.5 liters to 3.7, with the Acura MDX. The first use of Honda’s VTEC variable valve-timing-and-lift system for both intake and exhaust on a single-overhead-cam engine leaves pony power flat at 300 compared with the old 3.5 but lifts torque by 11 pound-feet to 271, with similar power peaks as before but more pull in the lower revs. Acceleration also stays essentially flat, with the 0-to-60-mph run taking 6.5 seconds. In EPA testing, the new RL loses 2 mpg in highway mileage. We saw 13 mpg on one fill-up and 25 on another, for an average of 19.

An optional “collision mitigation braking system” relies on shortwave radar to avoid potential rear-ending situations. When it sees a car bumper approaching fast, it flashes a dash warning, then hits the brakes and yanks in the seatbelt, a surprising jolt to the sternum that can stop a weak heart the first time. It false-alarmed a bit too often in slow-moving traffic, so we turned it off.

As before, the RL’s niftiest gizmo is its Super Handling All-Wheel Drive, which selectively overspeeds outside wheels to induce yaw and create the impression of livelier steering. It works, keeping the RL near the top of our handling charts. Also, as before, you must be caning the car hard through corners to enjoy its full benefits, an exercise most luxury-car buyers do as often as most SUV buyers go winch crawling.

Despite the flashier look and feel, the RL’s best assets thus remain hidden.


TL: The staff car of real-estate agents will be all-new in 2009. Slightly larger, the TL builds on TSX styling themes with multitiered flanks and a guillotine-like corporate grille blade. A front-driving 3.5-liter V-6 is now the base engine (it was only offered before in the sporty Type-S) and should make about 290 horsepower. The new Type-S, due later in 2009, is expected to rip, with a 3.7-liter V-6 making 330 to 340 horsepower and Super Handling All-Wheel Drive from the RL.
Maybe the topic's been beat to death, but if the new TL Type-S will have 330 HP and SHAWD, why get an RL?

I used to own a 2000 TL, and the same was true then--The TL had more HP, better transmission, almost as much leg and trunk room, 90% of the standard features, and cost $10K less.
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Originally Posted by tex2670

Maybe the topic's been beat to death, but if the new TL Type-S will have 330 HP and SHAWD, why get an RL?

I used to own a 2000 TL, and the same was true then--The TL had more HP, better transmission, almost as much leg and trunk room, 90% of the standard features, and cost $10K less.
You don't. You wait and see what the redesigned next gen RL will have to offer. a year or two later. The RL currently is in its 5th year. It came out 1 year after the last gen TL, so it should be up for a complete ground up redesign very soon.
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I dunno folks. I know there are alot of Legend lovers here (because they are everywhere), but I have never thought any Acuras to be that great. I just don't see how they could become Tier 1, especially with the latest redesigns. I think the one thing they have going is longevity, which is a bit tainted by some faulty transmissions. My roomate put 130k miles on his Legend until he finally blew an HG. Pretty good for a 14 year old car prone to such problems.
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The problem with Acura is the majority of the customers are full of themselves thinking Acura is just as good as actual luxury cars, that has to hurt them when they send out surveys

Acura salespeople are way full of themselves, Acura runs specials one day you can lease the car for 529 a month the next day the special is over and that exact car is 750 monthly
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In 1995 we went to Acura, my dad a Honda man at the time. We couldnt get anyone to help us so we left. Went back a few days later and were denied a test drive so we left again. My brother went their in 2005 to look at cars and was given the same treatment. I've heard that alot of Acura enthusiasts have had trouble with this particular dealer. I hope that they aren't all that bad.
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Originally Posted by SLegacy99
In 1995 we went to Acura, my dad a Honda man at the time. We couldnt get anyone to help us so we left. Went back a few days later and were denied a test drive so we left again. My brother went their in 2005 to look at cars and was given the same treatment. I've heard that alot of Acura enthusiasts have had trouble with this particular dealer. I hope that they aren't all that bad.
You just described my brother and I, when the TSX came out my brother drove a handful of cars, IS, 3 series, A4 and wanted to check the TSX out and the salesman said no test drive, he was willing to sell us the car but not let us test drive it then again I needed a car and wanted the TL, they did not help me and said a test drive was not possible so I left and got a Maxima years early I went into the same dealer to check out the MDX and possible replace my Pathfinder and same treatment.

This same dealer also told my old man he could lease an RL loaded for 500 a month, gave him the numbers and everything I go back later to get the car and the deal suddenly does not exist, a special they where running all month vanished.

I've never experienced such weird sales, all the salesmen are sitting at their desk and potential customers are just walking aimlessly in the showroom, I guess if you walk in with jeans and a t-shirt your not able to afford the cars, the BMW, Lexus and MB dealer have all let me test drive cars by myself, when I told them I was not interested, their response was well your still a future customer
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I was having a rough Monday and I can count on some more pointless news around Acura to make me laugh.

Acura blew its chance, even with new vehicles, they will be Tier 5 for all I care. THey got passed by Infinti, Caddy, Kia, Hyundai and even if Acura debuts new vehicles, no one really cares but the sheep.

You see being Tier I is more than just having a good lineup, it includes history, racing, bringing world firsts, being truly WANTED by the public, not a value. Being Tier I is outstanding dealerships, prestige, offering what people DON'T NEED, not only what you think they need. It is options and being sold worldwide and having all cars not look like robot turds.

Their management doesn't get it and they will continue to see people move up from Honda to Acura and from Acura to BMW/Benz/Lexus and now Infiniti/Caddy/Audi.

And egads their lineup is UGGGGLLLLYYYY, designed by Freddy Krueger and Wall-E.....
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Acura is sort of a hit and miss for me.

Whenever I find a dealer, their salesmen sucks but their parts and services department was top notch. But when I do find a dealer where the salesmen are nice, the parts/service department guys are complete morons! They are better than most other dealers out there, but they aren't at Lexus level yet. Lexus likes to kiss my *** from time to time.
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Maybe they will bring that wonderful Acura EL err CSX from Canada
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step 3 - LET PEOPLE TEST DRIVE THE CAR

i cant stand it when dealerships say 'no test drives' ... is that because you know your car is really *******y and you know if i test it i wont want it?

and ... that has got to be one of the WORST photoshop i've ever seen ... never mind higher better designers (which they clearly need) ... do a better photoshop!
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+1 on that.

Subaru does that same thing with the STi, well apprently some Subaru dealerships do. I guess Im not surprised, I have a feeling age is a factor there, though when I was 19 a dealer asked me if I would like to test drive the WRX. I was sure surprised.
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Originally Posted by Faymester
step 3 - LET PEOPLE TEST DRIVE THE CAR

i cant stand it when dealerships say 'no test drives' ... is that because you know your car is really *******y and you know if i test it i wont want it?

and ... that has got to be one of the WORST photoshop i've ever seen ... never mind higher better designers (which they clearly need) ... do a better photoshop!

1. they don't let you test drive for real? canada does suck.



2. what's so bad about that photoshop? they took out one door. The B-pillar shouldn't be there. but that's pretty much it.



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