2010 Tundra base engine 4.6 v8...good bye FJ..Avalon gets a redesign
08-13-08 | 10:59 PM
#17
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Posts: 4,891
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From: Virginia
I'm not sure if a 4 cylinder is appropriate fot the Highlander as it has grown. However, Toyota has powerful enough 2.5L (as seen in the IS250) that I feel is under utilized. They rely too much on the 3.5L which is a fine engine, I just think that a base Sienna, Highlander, and perhaps even a 2.5L Camry with be acceptable.
I also believe that a 6 cylinder base engine for a vehicle like the Tundra would do as well as for the GX, Landcruiser, Sequioa, etc. How many people honestly buy these vehicles for towing?
I also believe that a 6 cylinder base engine for a vehicle like the Tundra would do as well as for the GX, Landcruiser, Sequioa, etc. How many people honestly buy these vehicles for towing?
08-14-08 | 05:02 AM
#18
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Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 4,262
Likes: 10
From: NC
FJ Cruiser
Sales so far this year have been down 46.5% to 18,239. Not great but not horrible either.
Probably does not help that it just placed 10th in 2008's Gas Guzzlers list:
Wednesday August 13, 6:00 am ET
Craig Guillot
Paying $100 or more to fill up a tank isn't fun, but the pleasure of big vehicles and big engines come with the price tag of big fuel consumption rates.
While consumers are flocking in droves to fuel efficient cars, gas guzzlers will always be around in some form because of their power and size. And contrary to what one might think, some of the worst gas hogs aren't the big hulking SUVs or trucks, they're the imported, high-priced roadsters. Getting only eight miles per gallon in the city, the Lamborghini Murcielago is the least efficient vehicle on the road, but if you can afford to spend $300,000 on a car, fuel prices are likely irrelevant to you.
Here are some of the least efficient vehicles on the road.
The top 10 of the 2008-model year:
1. Lamborghini Murcielago
MSRP: $333,000 (LP640 Coupe)
Style: Convertible/coupe
Mileage: 8 city/13 highway
Engine: 6.5-liter V-12
Transmission: Six-speed manual, permanent 4-wheel drive
Curb weight: 3,670 lbs.
2. Mercedes-Benz G-Class (G55 AMG)
MSRP: $112,775
Style: SUV
Mileage: 11 city/13 highway
Engine: 5.5-liter, intercooled and supercharged SOHC 24-valve V-8
Transmission: Five-speed automatic, 4-wheel drive
Curb weight: 5,635 lbs.
3. Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8
MSRP: $41,145
Style: SUV
Mileage: 11 city/14 highway
Engine: 6.1-liter HEMI V-8
Transmission: Five-speed automatic, four-wheel drive
Curb weight: 4,819 lbs.
4. Aston Martin DB9, DB10
MSRP: $171,600
Style: Coupe/convertible
Mileage: 11 city/17 highway (Volante)
Engine: Quad overhead camshaft, 48-valve, 6.0-liter V-12
Transmission: Six-speed manual, rear mid-mounted Touchtronic 2 six-speed with electronic shift-by-wire control system
Curb weight: 3,880 lbs.
5. BMW M5
MSRP: $83,900
Style: Sedan (BMW M5)
Mileage: 11 city/17 highway
Engine: 5.0-liter V-10
Transmission: Seven-speed sequential manual
Curb weight: 5,071 lbs.
6. Lincoln Mark LT
MSRP: $38,615
Style: Truck (Lincoln Mark LT)
Mileage: 12 city/16 highway
Engine: 5.4-liter SOHC V-8
Transmission: Four-speed automatic
Curb weight: 5,344 lbs.
7. Dodge Ram Pickup 1500
MSRP: $22,150
Style: Full-size truck (Laramie four-door Mega Cab four-wheel drive SB)
Mileage: 13 city/17 highway
Engine: 5.7-liter V-8
Transmission: Six-speed automatic
Curb weight: 6,544 lbs.
8. Nissan Armada
MSRP: $35,500
Style: SUV
Mileage: 12 city/18 highway
Engine: 5.6-liter V-8
Transmission: Five-speed automatic
Curb weight: 5,302 lbs.
9. Hummer H3
MSRP: $30,995
Style: SUV
Mileage: 13 city/18 highway
Engine: 3.7-liter V-6
Transmission: 5-speed manual, 4-speed Hydra-Matic 4L60-E automatic
Curb weight: 4,700 lbs.
10. Toyota FJ Cruiser
MSRP: $23,045
Style: SUV
Mileage: 15 city/18 highway
Engine: 4.0-liter DOHC VVT-i V-6
Transmission: Five-speed manual, four-wheel drive
Curb weight: 4,050 lbs. to 4,295 lbs.
Probably does not help that it just placed 10th in 2008's Gas Guzzlers list:
Wednesday August 13, 6:00 am ET
Craig Guillot
Paying $100 or more to fill up a tank isn't fun, but the pleasure of big vehicles and big engines come with the price tag of big fuel consumption rates.
While consumers are flocking in droves to fuel efficient cars, gas guzzlers will always be around in some form because of their power and size. And contrary to what one might think, some of the worst gas hogs aren't the big hulking SUVs or trucks, they're the imported, high-priced roadsters. Getting only eight miles per gallon in the city, the Lamborghini Murcielago is the least efficient vehicle on the road, but if you can afford to spend $300,000 on a car, fuel prices are likely irrelevant to you.
Here are some of the least efficient vehicles on the road.
The top 10 of the 2008-model year:
1. Lamborghini Murcielago
MSRP: $333,000 (LP640 Coupe)
Style: Convertible/coupe
Mileage: 8 city/13 highway
Engine: 6.5-liter V-12
Transmission: Six-speed manual, permanent 4-wheel drive
Curb weight: 3,670 lbs.
2. Mercedes-Benz G-Class (G55 AMG)
MSRP: $112,775
Style: SUV
Mileage: 11 city/13 highway
Engine: 5.5-liter, intercooled and supercharged SOHC 24-valve V-8
Transmission: Five-speed automatic, 4-wheel drive
Curb weight: 5,635 lbs.
3. Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8
MSRP: $41,145
Style: SUV
Mileage: 11 city/14 highway
Engine: 6.1-liter HEMI V-8
Transmission: Five-speed automatic, four-wheel drive
Curb weight: 4,819 lbs.
4. Aston Martin DB9, DB10
MSRP: $171,600
Style: Coupe/convertible
Mileage: 11 city/17 highway (Volante)
Engine: Quad overhead camshaft, 48-valve, 6.0-liter V-12
Transmission: Six-speed manual, rear mid-mounted Touchtronic 2 six-speed with electronic shift-by-wire control system
Curb weight: 3,880 lbs.
5. BMW M5
MSRP: $83,900
Style: Sedan (BMW M5)
Mileage: 11 city/17 highway
Engine: 5.0-liter V-10
Transmission: Seven-speed sequential manual
Curb weight: 5,071 lbs.
6. Lincoln Mark LT
MSRP: $38,615
Style: Truck (Lincoln Mark LT)
Mileage: 12 city/16 highway
Engine: 5.4-liter SOHC V-8
Transmission: Four-speed automatic
Curb weight: 5,344 lbs.
7. Dodge Ram Pickup 1500
MSRP: $22,150
Style: Full-size truck (Laramie four-door Mega Cab four-wheel drive SB)
Mileage: 13 city/17 highway
Engine: 5.7-liter V-8
Transmission: Six-speed automatic
Curb weight: 6,544 lbs.
8. Nissan Armada
MSRP: $35,500
Style: SUV
Mileage: 12 city/18 highway
Engine: 5.6-liter V-8
Transmission: Five-speed automatic
Curb weight: 5,302 lbs.
9. Hummer H3
MSRP: $30,995
Style: SUV
Mileage: 13 city/18 highway
Engine: 3.7-liter V-6
Transmission: 5-speed manual, 4-speed Hydra-Matic 4L60-E automatic
Curb weight: 4,700 lbs.
10. Toyota FJ Cruiser
MSRP: $23,045
Style: SUV
Mileage: 15 city/18 highway
Engine: 4.0-liter DOHC VVT-i V-6
Transmission: Five-speed manual, four-wheel drive
Curb weight: 4,050 lbs. to 4,295 lbs.
08-14-08 | 07:50 AM
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08-14-08 | 09:50 PM
#21
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From: MIchigan
Sales so far this year have been down 46.5% to 18,239. Not great but not horrible either.
Probably does not help that it just placed 10th in 2008's Gas Guzzlers list:
Wednesday August 13, 6:00 am ET
Craig Guillot
Paying $100 or more to fill up a tank isn't fun, but the pleasure of big vehicles and big engines come with the price tag of big fuel consumption rates.
While consumers are flocking in droves to fuel efficient cars, gas guzzlers will always be around in some form because of their power and size. And contrary to what one might think, some of the worst gas hogs aren't the big hulking SUVs or trucks, they're the imported, high-priced roadsters. Getting only eight miles per gallon in the city, the Lamborghini Murcielago is the least efficient vehicle on the road, but if you can afford to spend $300,000 on a car, fuel prices are likely irrelevant to you.
Here are some of the least efficient vehicles on the road.
The top 10 of the 2008-model year:
1. Lamborghini Murcielago
MSRP: $333,000 (LP640 Coupe)
Style: Convertible/coupe
Mileage: 8 city/13 highway
Engine: 6.5-liter V-12
Transmission: Six-speed manual, permanent 4-wheel drive
Curb weight: 3,670 lbs.
2. Mercedes-Benz G-Class (G55 AMG)
MSRP: $112,775
Style: SUV
Mileage: 11 city/13 highway
Engine: 5.5-liter, intercooled and supercharged SOHC 24-valve V-8
Transmission: Five-speed automatic, 4-wheel drive
Curb weight: 5,635 lbs.
3. Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8
MSRP: $41,145
Style: SUV
Mileage: 11 city/14 highway
Engine: 6.1-liter HEMI V-8
Transmission: Five-speed automatic, four-wheel drive
Curb weight: 4,819 lbs.
4. Aston Martin DB9, DB10
MSRP: $171,600
Style: Coupe/convertible
Mileage: 11 city/17 highway (Volante)
Engine: Quad overhead camshaft, 48-valve, 6.0-liter V-12
Transmission: Six-speed manual, rear mid-mounted Touchtronic 2 six-speed with electronic shift-by-wire control system
Curb weight: 3,880 lbs.
5. BMW M5
MSRP: $83,900
Style: Sedan (BMW M5)
Mileage: 11 city/17 highway
Engine: 5.0-liter V-10
Transmission: Seven-speed sequential manual
Curb weight: 5,071 lbs.
6. Lincoln Mark LT
MSRP: $38,615
Style: Truck (Lincoln Mark LT)
Mileage: 12 city/16 highway
Engine: 5.4-liter SOHC V-8
Transmission: Four-speed automatic
Curb weight: 5,344 lbs.
7. Dodge Ram Pickup 1500
MSRP: $22,150
Style: Full-size truck (Laramie four-door Mega Cab four-wheel drive SB)
Mileage: 13 city/17 highway
Engine: 5.7-liter V-8
Transmission: Six-speed automatic
Curb weight: 6,544 lbs.
8. Nissan Armada
MSRP: $35,500
Style: SUV
Mileage: 12 city/18 highway
Engine: 5.6-liter V-8
Transmission: Five-speed automatic
Curb weight: 5,302 lbs.
9. Hummer H3
MSRP: $30,995
Style: SUV
Mileage: 13 city/18 highway
Engine: 3.7-liter V-6
Transmission: 5-speed manual, 4-speed Hydra-Matic 4L60-E automatic
Curb weight: 4,700 lbs.
10. Toyota FJ Cruiser
MSRP: $23,045
Style: SUV
Mileage: 15 city/18 highway
Engine: 4.0-liter DOHC VVT-i V-6
Transmission: Five-speed manual, four-wheel drive
Curb weight: 4,050 lbs. to 4,295 lbs.
Probably does not help that it just placed 10th in 2008's Gas Guzzlers list:
Wednesday August 13, 6:00 am ET
Craig Guillot
Paying $100 or more to fill up a tank isn't fun, but the pleasure of big vehicles and big engines come with the price tag of big fuel consumption rates.
While consumers are flocking in droves to fuel efficient cars, gas guzzlers will always be around in some form because of their power and size. And contrary to what one might think, some of the worst gas hogs aren't the big hulking SUVs or trucks, they're the imported, high-priced roadsters. Getting only eight miles per gallon in the city, the Lamborghini Murcielago is the least efficient vehicle on the road, but if you can afford to spend $300,000 on a car, fuel prices are likely irrelevant to you.
Here are some of the least efficient vehicles on the road.
The top 10 of the 2008-model year:
1. Lamborghini Murcielago
MSRP: $333,000 (LP640 Coupe)
Style: Convertible/coupe
Mileage: 8 city/13 highway
Engine: 6.5-liter V-12
Transmission: Six-speed manual, permanent 4-wheel drive
Curb weight: 3,670 lbs.
2. Mercedes-Benz G-Class (G55 AMG)
MSRP: $112,775
Style: SUV
Mileage: 11 city/13 highway
Engine: 5.5-liter, intercooled and supercharged SOHC 24-valve V-8
Transmission: Five-speed automatic, 4-wheel drive
Curb weight: 5,635 lbs.
3. Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8
MSRP: $41,145
Style: SUV
Mileage: 11 city/14 highway
Engine: 6.1-liter HEMI V-8
Transmission: Five-speed automatic, four-wheel drive
Curb weight: 4,819 lbs.
4. Aston Martin DB9, DB10
MSRP: $171,600
Style: Coupe/convertible
Mileage: 11 city/17 highway (Volante)
Engine: Quad overhead camshaft, 48-valve, 6.0-liter V-12
Transmission: Six-speed manual, rear mid-mounted Touchtronic 2 six-speed with electronic shift-by-wire control system
Curb weight: 3,880 lbs.
5. BMW M5
MSRP: $83,900
Style: Sedan (BMW M5)
Mileage: 11 city/17 highway
Engine: 5.0-liter V-10
Transmission: Seven-speed sequential manual
Curb weight: 5,071 lbs.
6. Lincoln Mark LT
MSRP: $38,615
Style: Truck (Lincoln Mark LT)
Mileage: 12 city/16 highway
Engine: 5.4-liter SOHC V-8
Transmission: Four-speed automatic
Curb weight: 5,344 lbs.
7. Dodge Ram Pickup 1500
MSRP: $22,150
Style: Full-size truck (Laramie four-door Mega Cab four-wheel drive SB)
Mileage: 13 city/17 highway
Engine: 5.7-liter V-8
Transmission: Six-speed automatic
Curb weight: 6,544 lbs.
8. Nissan Armada
MSRP: $35,500
Style: SUV
Mileage: 12 city/18 highway
Engine: 5.6-liter V-8
Transmission: Five-speed automatic
Curb weight: 5,302 lbs.
9. Hummer H3
MSRP: $30,995
Style: SUV
Mileage: 13 city/18 highway
Engine: 3.7-liter V-6
Transmission: 5-speed manual, 4-speed Hydra-Matic 4L60-E automatic
Curb weight: 4,700 lbs.
10. Toyota FJ Cruiser
MSRP: $23,045
Style: SUV
Mileage: 15 city/18 highway
Engine: 4.0-liter DOHC VVT-i V-6
Transmission: Five-speed manual, four-wheel drive
Curb weight: 4,050 lbs. to 4,295 lbs.
Where is the 12 mpg cty/18mpg highway of the LX570
or the Tundra.
08-14-08 | 10:37 PM
#23
Getting rid of the FJ cruiser i think would be a bad decision. Whenever i talk to a FJ owner all they say is
" I love the car"
"Its really fun to drive"
"sure it eats up a lot of gas, but its fun as hell"
It would be a mistake IMO if they dropped the car from the lineup.
" I love the car"
"Its really fun to drive"
"sure it eats up a lot of gas, but its fun as hell"
It would be a mistake IMO if they dropped the car from the lineup.
08-14-08 | 11:00 PM
#24
Lexus Fanatic
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 6,231
Likes: 0
From: Los Angeles/Vancouver
wow thats a short life on the FJ
too bad
do u guys think it could become a collector's item say 20 years down the road?
maybe toyota just needs a more efficient engine in it?
im sure toyota has some torquey V6 that gets better mpg... no?
or some V8s that do get better mpg...
too bad
do u guys think it could become a collector's item say 20 years down the road?
maybe toyota just needs a more efficient engine in it?
im sure toyota has some torquey V6 that gets better mpg... no?
or some V8s that do get better mpg...
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