New Lexus NAVI controller (non-touchscreen) system?
11-20-08, 04:25 PM
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actually, the COMAND **** is very neatly done, especially on my C class. i mean its just a **** with two buttons. to be honest, im not sure about the whole mouse and pointer thing. doesnt this mean you have to align the pointer exactly on the button on the screen to access the next menu? i mean a rotary **** automatically goes to the next button on the screen.
imagine while driving...you have to watch the road and watch where your mouse is going, and get it directly on the button. i mean to me, this is even more distracting. im not saying its a bad idea (because the large screen can accomodate large buttons), im just failing to see how its better
imagine while driving...you have to watch the road and watch where your mouse is going, and get it directly on the button. i mean to me, this is even more distracting. im not saying its a bad idea (because the large screen can accomodate large buttons), im just failing to see how its better
We don't know if you necessarily have to align the pointer with the on-screen button, or if it will automatically move to the closest button.
It could have multiple functionality.
I wonder if the heads up display and Nav/Remote Touch all come in one option package. With the HUD you would need to look at the Nav screen even less.
11-20-08, 04:31 PM
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The Nav might also have an optional/available feature where it makes an audible chime when the mouse pointer hits buttons. Plus, we have yet to see how the casual language voice recognition works together with the Nav.
11-20-08, 06:38 PM
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^^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM4uyGHfHlk
watch his use of the mouse. its actually like a computer pointer on the screen controlled by the mouse
watch his use of the mouse. its actually like a computer pointer on the screen controlled by the mouse
http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_sh...50h/index.html
Designed to interface with navigation, climate, and audio systems (not unlike the infamous BMW iDrive), it functions very much like a computer trackball. In fact, the cursor doesn't jump from menu to menu, but glides across the screen as if one were using a mouse. We've yet to try it while on the move, but it seemed slick and easy enough during our brief test on the show floor.
11-20-08, 07:38 PM
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lexus has demo stations setup, which pretty much means they want to convince everyone this is good... so for you guys that are going to the show, let us know how it is 
I tried i-drive and I hated it (2006 535d)... and I work in software industry so you would think I would like the gadgets (and I do, just not in the car)... and even funnier, my friend that works in the same company has S5 and doesnt know how to set average MPG to show - and he is software guru...
I just believe (IMHO) that in car you dont need 3 million options, but rather something that works quickly and well.
I tried i-drive and I hated it (2006 535d)... and I work in software industry so you would think I would like the gadgets (and I do, just not in the car)... and even funnier, my friend that works in the same company has S5 and doesnt know how to set average MPG to show - and he is software guru...
I just believe (IMHO) that in car you dont need 3 million options, but rather something that works quickly and well.
11-20-08, 07:47 PM
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I tried i-drive and I hated it (2006 535d)... and I work in software industry so you would think I would like the gadgets (and I do, just not in the car)... and even funnier, my friend that works in the same company has S5 and doesnt know how to set average MPG to show - and he is software guru...
11-20-08, 07:54 PM
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See, the problem is that if there are simpler systems out there which are easier to use than the iDrive (say the learning curve is 30 mins vs iDrive's one day) then the iDrive simply sucks.
Let's not forget that everything is comparable.
11-20-08, 07:58 PM
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For a lot of people, that is far too long to learn. A controller that gives you function to different features and options should not take "a day or so" to learn.
11-20-08, 08:21 PM
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Sure it works, I can get back home from work via the shortest route in 20 minutes or I can go with the longest route for one hour. Both work.
See, the problem is that if there are simpler systems out there which are easier to use than the iDrive (say the learning curve is 30 mins vs iDrive's one day) then the iDrive simply sucks.
Let's not forget that everything is comparable.
See, the problem is that if there are simpler systems out there which are easier to use than the iDrive (say the learning curve is 30 mins vs iDrive's one day) then the iDrive simply sucks.
Let's not forget that everything is comparable.
And yes, there are simpler systems - but with iDrive you can do a lot of things that you can't do with a simple system (want me to start naming all the fun things that a BMW driver can control that requires a trip to the dealer to change on a Lexus? I won't because that's not the topic of the thread).
What cracks me up is that I'm actually arguing with people who said that Lexus would never go the controller route because touch screen is/was simpler to use.....
It's a $50,000+ car! Sorry, it is going to have technology and that takes time to learn. See the manual on a LS? It is huge! Why do they need such a big manual? because these cars have a lot of technology and yes, you have to learn how to use it
11-20-08, 08:28 PM
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I hated I-drive for about a few weeks. But I eventually get used to it. It's not the best thing but then it's not as bad as what a lot of your guys are saying.
In terms of ease of use, nothing beats my 200$ portable navigation.
In terms of ease of use, nothing beats my 200$ portable navigation.
11-20-08, 08:33 PM
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I am going to confess that I was one of the strong supporters for touch screen but after getting two service loaners with touch screen navi I can understand why everyone is going with the controller route. With the touch screen the screen needs to be placed closer to the driver which means it'll be below the normal driving eye-level. Although touch screen is the most user friendly interface but since most of the time the driver is looking at the screen instead of operating it, to move it up to the top of the center stack is just a natural thing to do. Since that's the case then a controller will be needed to operate the system.
I am going to the LA autoshow to try out the Lexus Remote Touch myself in a few days but based on the logic it looks like the most user-friend controller up-to-date.
11-20-08, 08:56 PM
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Man, I remember the days on CL when we had pissing matches about how crappy the idrive/command/mmi **** was. My how times change and happy to see people looking at this technology with an open mind (or just some accepting the fact that it will more than likely be in future Lexus models, thus forcing everyone to get used to it 
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I do want to see how this works and try it out. I have used the idrive/command systems before and for whatever reason couldnt get used to the idrive (might have been the newer generation, not sure), but I found the command system that MB uses to be quite easy. Since the Lexus version will be using a mouse, I sure hope the pointer on the screen is large enough where the driver doesnt have to be very exact while driving. And adjustable sensitivity is definitely a necessity.
) I do want to see how this works and try it out. I have used the idrive/command systems before and for whatever reason couldnt get used to the idrive (might have been the newer generation, not sure), but I found the command system that MB uses to be quite easy. Since the Lexus version will be using a mouse, I sure hope the pointer on the screen is large enough where the driver doesnt have to be very exact while driving. And adjustable sensitivity is definitely a necessity.