LexFather

I stand corrected with price, thanks I don't buy the gas is $4 arguement, people still want V-8s and its pathetic that Buick and Hyundai and Kia offer V-8s and not a supposed luxury brand.

If we say Buicks are gussied up Impalas, well guess what, the ES is a gussied up Camry, TL, a gussied up Accord and TSX is a Euro Accord with Acura badges.

I didn't say the current cars are premium, I said they are indeed ENTRY LEVEL luxury cars.

Pearlpower

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Buick simply has no brand recognition amongst serious automotive buyers. Even Subaru outclasses Buick IMO.
Also have to keep in mind that GM needs to find where they want to market Buick as they continue to build the Cadillac brand as a Lexus competitor.

Buick should just be closed up to allow GM the flexibility and resources to continue it's core businesses. I could not even tell you the last time I saw a Buick on the road-in Southern California.

Anyone really miss Olds? Would you miss Buick if it went away?

bitkahuna

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Great post.

Yes, Buick is pretty focused. Now they do their "IS-F" type vehicle now and then (Gran National anyone? ) but it's mostly about cushy comfort.

bitkahuna

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Wow, that's awesome!

bitkahuna

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ROFL. Subaru? I consider Subaru to be economy cars with AWD. All respect to mmarshall, et al, and I do like Subarus.

Cadillac has multiple performance models. Cadillac has many innovations over Lexus. But admittedly Cadillac does not have an LS competitor.

California's a pretty unique car market. Florida too to some extent, but here we have tons of Buicks.

Yes, and yes. Would I miss Toyota (not including Lexus) if it went away? NO! They make NO interesting vehicles right now.

GS3Tek

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The lucerne "borrowed" the GS headlight so if we combine this new one, then we have a 2GS/3GS

https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...=buick+lucerne

Buick....wow, I remember back in the 80s, the Century was the ultimate luxury compared to our 79 chevette:
power steering, ac, power windows

The only Buick that I like right now is the enclave.

Pearlpower

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That's the problem, most people will not get past the badge. They either base their decision on status, past ownership, reputation, etc and Buick does not rate up there in the minds of many as a viable alternative or even a decent car manufacturer. Most buyers do not even look at JD Powers or even care. The Enclave is OK, not great or good IMO, but a nice OK attempt and should they continue their progress they might do well in the market. Cadillac is GMs luxury division and I would venture to say that most looking for a GM product would rather have a Caddi than a Buick. Again-the whole badge thing. Buick makes about as much sense as Toyota coming out with another luxury car division.

-J-P-L-

Another example of how GM [and Ford] care more about the European market than their own domestic market. Let me guess, they think Americans wouldn't like a great car like this. Every Opel, from the beginning, should have been sold in America under one of GM's US badges. If they did, they wouldn't be on their way to bankruptcy.

Pearlpower

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That is a good looking car for sure.

mmarshall

Is this an economy car, bit? Not IMO. Believe me, I didn't choose an Outback for nothing.

pagemaster

I believe there is a lot of Toyota hiding in that Subaru? No?

mmarshall

No. The current Legacy-Outback platform was introduced in 2005, before Toyota bought into Subaru.

With the new 2008 Impreza and 2009 Forester, however (especially the Forester), you can clearly see the results of significant cost-cutting...........probably Toyota's pressure.

bitkahuna

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That's nice looking. Def. better than I thought.

The Tribeca interior doesn't come close to an Enclave however.

-J-P-L-

Do people realize that Buick isn't much bigger than Scion (the brand Toyota purposely limits production on). Of course, they each have 3 models but sales wise Scion sells about the same as Lacrosse and Lucerne combined. Enclave, does however, put Buick sales on top.

Just an observation of a brand that used to be among the biggest in the world.

LexFather

Well the morons discontinued a big seller for them, the Regal for no damn reason. It sells well in China now.

The Opel INsignia should come back as the Buick Regal in China.

I'd rather Buick have a small lineup than a bunch of obvious rebadges.