How do I say this nicely.......
09-23-08, 01:22 AM
#16
09-23-08, 06:19 AM
#17
I say no to cheap craftsmanship.. That is more important to me.
09-23-08, 07:32 AM
#18
I guess it depends on what the "knockoff" part is exactly-- I know personally, if I can avoid it, I will not purchase a knockoff brand of anything, even if it's like 90% cheaper than the real deal. Back in the day I bought crappy no name coilovers for the integra (yes I was dumb back then hahah) and more so than the ride quality being horrible, the damn things broke and the front of the car started getting lower on its own because they broke -- granted being slammed looks nice, it sucked having my car get lower without my consent haha- I replaced then with Tein SS coilovers instead and I am very pleased 
09-23-08, 07:49 AM
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I have somewhat mixed feelings about this but in general I'm absolutely with 1SICKLEX and rominl on this. Get the real deal.
To justify high prices, you have to have a) great quality, b) innovative design (that's hard to copy cheaply), and c) KEEP INNOVATING
People who like quality and great design will recognize the difference between the real thing and knock offs and those who buy knock offs that look like crap or fall apart will get what they paid for and won't really affect the real stuff.
Sometimes however, genuine parts are WAY overpriced (and over hyped) and sometimes they're just 'badged' generic stuff, and kind of beg to be knocked off.
Some brands put out products that are expensive just because they're that brand. In those cases I have little sympathy.
I don't know, but are knock off body kits actually "illegal"? Can the 'design' of a body kit actually be copyrighted (or even patented) and that will be enforced? I guess even if it can, the legal cost of enforcing it can hurt the OEM.
To justify high prices, you have to have a) great quality, b) innovative design (that's hard to copy cheaply), and c) KEEP INNOVATING
People who like quality and great design will recognize the difference between the real thing and knock offs and those who buy knock offs that look like crap or fall apart will get what they paid for and won't really affect the real stuff.
Sometimes however, genuine parts are WAY overpriced (and over hyped) and sometimes they're just 'badged' generic stuff, and kind of beg to be knocked off.
Some brands put out products that are expensive just because they're that brand. In those cases I have little sympathy.I don't know, but are knock off body kits actually "illegal"? Can the 'design' of a body kit actually be copyrighted (or even patented) and that will be enforced? I guess even if it can, the legal cost of enforcing it can hurt the OEM.
09-23-08, 08:21 AM
#20
The rights granted under U.S. patents extend only in the U.S. & its territories and have no effect in other countries. Same holds true for Japan or any other country. Each country has its own patent laws and companies must make application for a patent in that particular country. Japanes based companies like J.P. Fabulous, et.al must make an application for a patent here in the U.S. if they seek to put an end to sales of replicas w/o their permission.
09-23-08, 01:07 PM
#21
For $200. A $600 wing, that's been knocked off, and sold for 200. A BLATENT rip off, even using the AUTHENTIC Junction Produce Ad picture.
He even says its a replica!
Knockoff for sure, and should be shut down. Not only is he undercutting JP here, but he also undercutting all the other vendors that sell AUTHENTIC JP.
I don't know how CL would let this even be approved.
09-23-08, 01:29 PM
#22
It says it's a replica Junction Produce wing.
For $200. A $600 wing, that's been knocked off, and sold for 200. A BLATENT rip off, even using the AUTHENTIC Junction Produce Ad picture.
He even says its a replica!
Knockoff for sure, and should be shut down. Not only is he undercutting JP here, but he also undercutting all the other vendors that sell AUTHENTIC JP.
I don't know how CL would let this even be approved.
For $200. A $600 wing, that's been knocked off, and sold for 200. A BLATENT rip off, even using the AUTHENTIC Junction Produce Ad picture.
He even says its a replica!
Knockoff for sure, and should be shut down. Not only is he undercutting JP here, but he also undercutting all the other vendors that sell AUTHENTIC JP.
I don't know how CL would let this even be approved.
Many jumped on the group buy for these wheels knowing very well that there are vendors that sell the "authentic" wheels.. http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...d.php?t=543765 No complaints or fusses..
I will remain stock
Business is a cut throat endeavor.. Authentic vendors will just need step up their game up.. It all boils down to what consumers seek.
09-23-08, 01:40 PM
#23
let's see.... singers and artists, making songs, spending time and effort, and money as well. make the cds, selling for 15 bucks each. people rip them off and have people d/l for FREE, or sometimes ask for a little ad clicking which they in turn make some money
umm, so it's the artists problem? see the problem there?
and don't tell me about the whole legal or illegal thing. stealing is stealing, that's moral
worst of all? imagine going on amazon with bunch of original cds, and then suddenly you see one that's rip-off of other cds. wow, that sounds brilliant
umm, so it's the artists problem? see the problem there?
and don't tell me about the whole legal or illegal thing. stealing is stealing, that's moral
worst of all? imagine going on amazon with bunch of original cds, and then suddenly you see one that's rip-off of other cds. wow, that sounds brilliant
09-23-08, 01:44 PM
#24
let's see.... singers and artists, making songs, spending time and effort, and money as well. make the cds, selling for 15 bucks each. people rip them off and have people d/l for FREE, or sometimes ask for a little ad clicking which they in turn make some money
umm, so it's the artists problem? see the problem there?
and don't tell me about the whole legal or illegal thing. stealing is stealing, that's moral
worst of all? imagine going on amazon with bunch of original cds, and then suddenly you see one that's rip-off of other cds. wow, that sounds brilliant
umm, so it's the artists problem? see the problem there?
and don't tell me about the whole legal or illegal thing. stealing is stealing, that's moral
worst of all? imagine going on amazon with bunch of original cds, and then suddenly you see one that's rip-off of other cds. wow, that sounds brilliant
09-23-08, 02:59 PM
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The supply of knock-offs would end or be limited if people didn't buy the stuff.
Knock-off suppliers and companies don't give a rats *** about the law. Only about making a dollar in anyway possible.
There are reasons to get knock-offs, pinqu goes into it well.
09-23-08, 04:36 PM
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Not to knock any or all of the club lexus moderators, workers, or owners, but isn't having knock-off vendors also considered "just trying to make a buck". I don't knock any of the knock-offs if they are made better, but I do agree on the moral aspects. Don't get me wrong, I have not bought any knock-offs, but I am also not a model citizen as well. Come on who hasn't downloaded a song, burned a movie, made a U-turn on a no U-turn street. It happens, it's business and the only thing you can do to stop it is not do it yourself.