2JZ_SC

When I first started in the car business I was showed and told it was "ok" to drive cars like that. Then I moved up to shop foreman and one of my techs ran a new cellica all-track (turbo) down a guard rail. I had to inform the customer.
After that I took the stand that I would NEVER drive a customers car in any way other then I how I would like my car driven. I have wrote up several employees of mine for abusing customers and sold units. I have even fired a couple of them.
That among other reasons is why I quit the car business (besides, playing with 6000+ hp everyday is more fun)

kit cat

iTrader: (6)

well i retract my previous statement, good for you

and 6000hp? a boat?

dunnojack

yeah. the factory drives the cars hard around their test tracks too

CK6Speed

iTrader: (1)

When I worked at a car dealership, I know the service, sales, and even the GM of the company would sometimes take the new cars out for a "Spirited" spin. Granted these are not customer cars yet, but I know they took them over 100 MPH. What are you going to do when they are the bosses of the dealership. Personally, I think these sorts of things are very common.

CK6Speed

iTrader: (1)

If you noticed new NSX's, they always have around 100+ miles or so on the odometer because they are broken in and tested at the Suzuka track.

LexFather

While I don't support a "Black Box" in cars, in this case, it easily incriminates anyone since the cars are so new.

Read the data, see what it says, bingo.

Dave600hL

Very unlikely for two reasons. Lexus for Japan are built to a different standard than the rest of the world and they only see the cars destined for sale in Japan. And number two, if they got caught doing something like that it would mean their job and that would mean very serious consiquences for that persons future job oportunities. You can't just jop hop over here, most people will stay with a company their wholes lives(after the bubble broke things changed that a bit, but it is returning back to the way it was before slowly)
Umm.... wrong thread their SICKLEX...

Koma

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Actually what he's referring to is that the cars have black boxes so you can find out what they did to the car before it was delivered.

LexFather

yup.............

2JZ_SC

The dealership is the one with the scan tool that can clear the saved data.....

Dave600hL

Oh crap!!!

Koma

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Hey I was just explaining for 1Sick. I didn't say that it would work.

LexFather

Thanks Koma.....

Its Friday, I smell a Ban!!

mmarshall

Being a GM won't help you when you roll down your window and see THIS:

IS350jet

Dealerships won't have access to the "black box", only the main ECU. The only way to access the black box is by a court ordered subpoena in a criminal or liability investigation. There's so much confusion over "black boxes" it isn't even funny. Yes, it is a bit of Big Brother, but, rest assured, dealerships WILL NOT be using them to accept or deny warranty claims.
Here is some excellent reading.