Threxx

Yep... not to mention even if they did use a driver that wasn't quite cream of the crop and thus was not quite comfortable with difficult to drive cars at the limits... what does that really mean to us? Are you a better driver than that guy? If not then you'll probably experience an even larger differential between an easy to drive predictable car and a hard to drive squirmy car.

Zephyr

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C&D is the worst garbage automotive magazine in the states. Prime example of biased based on commercial sponsorship.

caymandive

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I agree. Haven't subscribed or picked up an edition in years.

DASHOCKER

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What makes C&D "garbage" & "toilet paper" ?? Is it because a Lexus model did not come in 1st place?? Come on now.. C&D has been around before most of you were born & is not a wanna be auto enthusiast publication. The editors who actually test drive and comment like Csaba Csere, Patrick Bedard (as Marshall mentioned), Tony Swan and others have a great deal of proffessional driving experience under their belts. I am not a magazine bon bon eating ***** yet I can respect their opinions on various automobiles..

ST430

You should probably read the article and which drivers were actually on course:

LexFather

You are the same guy that got upset just this past week saying "the ALMS awards is nothing" when Lexus won 4 categories and bished "the North American Award means crap" so really, pot meet kettle.

It has nothing to do with Lexus, A LOT of people take their opinions with a grain of salt. I stopped paying full price years ago. If its not free or a $2 subscription, I don't get it.

If I don't subscribe, I don't read it at the bookstore. It has gotten worse and worse over the years. In the 1990s, it was pretty good.

They are around b/c of SIZE not QUALITY!

RIP Sports Car International, A REAL CAR MAGAZINE!!!

If anthing, I'm just AMAZED a Lexus is actually in this kind of comparo, UNHEARD of for a Lexus!

Threxx

Guys these are track times... no subjective editorial going on here for you to complain about as toilet paper. Unless C&D literally sabotaged the times then they're legitimate no matter what you think of the rest of the magazine.

Sounds like sour grapes to me.

Magazine doesn't say what you want it to say so discredit the magazine.

His point was being a C&D staffer is far from indicative of a lack of qualifications on the track.

gshb

i realize its hard to test 22 cars in one day, but I really would have liked to see one driver for all these times. sure, maybe all 3 are more qualified than your run of the mill track guy, but among the three must be different levels of experience. this will compound the difference between cars and their times. i wouldnt be surprised to know that the guy who drove the bottom cars also drove the exige S. to him the exige S is blazing fast, but the dudes driving LL3 cars could probably have done better.

Threxx

Did it say that not every driver drove every car? They might have just took the best run from the three for each car.

newr

I added the HP # to go with each car. It shows that typically, the higher the hp the quicker it goes. However, there is always exceptions. We have low hp cars that are fast and high hp cars that are slow. Enjoy!



Mosler MT900S- 2:45.9 (2008)---------------------------550
Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR- 2:48.6 (2008)-------------------600
Ferrari F430 Scuderia- 2:54.6 (2008)---------------------------510
Nissan GT-R- 2:55.6 (2008)------------------------------------480
Chevrolet Corvette Z06- 2:58.2 (2007) ------------------505
Ford GT- 3:00.7 (2006) ------------------------------------550
Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06- 3:01.1 (2006) ------------------505
Chevrolet Corvette Z51- 3:01.2 (2008) ------------------436
Dodge Viper SRT10- 3:01.6 (2006) ---------------------------510
Porsche 911 GT3- 3:01.8 (2007) ---------------------------415
Chevrolet Corvette C6- 3:03.6 (2007) ---------------------------400
Cadillac CTS-V- 3:04.0 (2008) ---------------------------556
Lotus Exige S- 3:04.5 (2007) ---------------------------220
Audi R8- 3:04.6 (2007) ------------------------------------420
BMW M3- 3:05.6 (2008) ------------------------------------414
Porsche 997 Turbo- 3:05.8 (2007) ---------------------------480
Ford Shelby GT500- 3:05.9 (2007) ---------------------------500
Mercedes Benz C63 AMG- 3:06.5 (2008) ------------------451
Lotus Elise- 3:09.2 (2006) ------------------------------------190
Chevy Corvette C6- 3:09.3 (2006) ---------------------------400
Porsche Cayman S- 3:09.5 (2006) ---------------------------295
BMW M6- 3:10.0 (2006) ------------------------------------500
BMW 335i Coupe- 3:10.5 (2007) ---------------------------300
Ford Shelby GT500 3:11.0 (2006) [ECU issues slowed car] 500
Audi RS4- 3:11.2 (2007) ------------------------------------420
BMW Z4 M- 3:11.7 (2007) ------------------------------------330
Nissan 350Z Track 3:12.5 (2006) ---------------------------300
Chevrolet Cobalt SS Turbocharged 3:13.0 (2008) ---------260
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X MR SSTT (semi-auto)- 3:13.3 (2008) 291
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX MR- 3:13.5 (2006) ---------286
BMW 135i (steptronic automatic)- 3:13.7 (2008) ---------300
Lexus IS F- 3:14.0 (2008) ------------------------------------416
Audi S5- 3:14.6 (2008) ------------------------------------354
Honda S2000 CR- 3:15.0 (2008) [stock pads faded) ---------237
Pontiac Solstice GXP- 3:15.7 (2007) ---------------------------260
Mazda Speed 3- 3:16.0 (2007) ---------------------------263
Dodge Challenger SRT8- 3:16.3 (2008) ------------------425
Lotus Elise SC- 3:16.6 (2008) [WTF happened???] ---------218
Infiniti G37 Sport- 3:17.5 (2008) ---------------------------330
Dodge Charger SRT8- 3:18.2 (2006) ---------------------------425
Subaru Impreza WRX STI- 3:19.0 (2008) ------------------305
Mazda RX-8- 3:19.0 (2006) ------------------------------------240
Chevy Cobalt SS (Supercharged)- 3:20.6 (2006) ---------205
Dodge Caliber SRT4- 3:20.8 (2008) ---------------------------285
Ford Mustang GT- 3:20.9 (2006) ---------------------------300
Volkswagen R32- 3:21.8 (2008) ---------------------------250
Mini Cooper S (Turbo)- 3:22.9 (2007) ---------------------------172
Honda Civic Mugen Si- 3:24.8 (2008) ---------------------------197
Volkswagen GTI- 3:25.1 (2006) ---------------------------180
Honda Civic Si- 3:26.5 (2006) ---------------------------197
Volvo C30 T5 Version 2.0- 3:26.6 (2008) ------------------227
Mazda MX-5- 3:29.3 (2006) ------------------------------------170

LexBob2

Thank you...
Sounds like "kill the messenger"...

retrodrive

What surprises me about that list is why a 335 faster then a 135?

kt22cliff

135 slushbox vs 335 manual

emoshun

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Haha, a 350Z which can be had for $20K p3wned the IS-F, a $65K car!

DASHOCKER

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Funny I did not bish about squat. Am I supposed to go on some tirade, throw furniture, smash my keyboard because 2 of out of the 4 vehicles that I own did not win some award?? Please post the quote of me "bishing" please with link..

Cool beans..