Porsche accuses Nissan of falsifying GT-R Nurburgring lap times (& Nissan responds )
09-30-08, 12:55 PM
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Yep, I remember that - I also remember the GS400/430 coming in a close second to the 540 and let me tell you, there is no way in hell that happened with the stock suspension.
09-30-08, 01:15 PM
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09-30-08, 03:56 PM
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is it so hard to believe the gtr is that fast? i understand back in the dark ages why people refused to believe the world was round. but now people are so cynical even with videos and multiple comparisons that nothing is to be believed. nothing short of being an automotive engineer will allow one to understand what is possible for a car. most people dont have a grasp at high school physics, so its no surprise.
but maybe its bias. after all no one questioned a veyron for being faster than a freakin F1 racecar. how is that possible? look at the specs. the 2008 mclaren vodafone F1 car weighs 1322 lbs including driver and camera gear. power is rated over 700. the veyron is a massive 4160lbs with 1001 hp. its power to weight is nearly half that of the F1. but it is...
but maybe its bias. after all no one questioned a veyron for being faster than a freakin F1 racecar. how is that possible? look at the specs. the 2008 mclaren vodafone F1 car weighs 1322 lbs including driver and camera gear. power is rated over 700. the veyron is a massive 4160lbs with 1001 hp. its power to weight is nearly half that of the F1. but it is...
09-30-08, 04:32 PM
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Two quick and easychanges can be made to mess up any ring time order, tires and raising the turbo/supercharger boost. Now chevy claims the Corvette ZR-1 is faster then the GT2 and GT-R around the nurenburg ring. So we'll see, but I don't think you can buy that same car at your local chevy dealer.
09-30-08, 04:34 PM
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is it so hard to believe the gtr is that fast? i understand back in the dark ages why people refused to believe the world was round. but now people are so cynical even with videos and multiple comparisons that nothing is to be believed. nothing short of being an automotive engineer will allow one to understand what is possible for a car. most people dont have a grasp at high school physics, so its no surprise.
but maybe its bias. after all no one questioned a veyron for being faster than a freakin F1 racecar. how is that possible? look at the specs. the 2008 mclaren vodafone F1 car weighs 1322 lbs including driver and camera gear. power is rated over 700. the veyron is a massive 4160lbs with 1001 hp. its power to weight is nearly half that of the F1. but it is...
but maybe its bias. after all no one questioned a veyron for being faster than a freakin F1 racecar. how is that possible? look at the specs. the 2008 mclaren vodafone F1 car weighs 1322 lbs including driver and camera gear. power is rated over 700. the veyron is a massive 4160lbs with 1001 hp. its power to weight is nearly half that of the F1. but it is...
Veyron
0-100km/h = 2.5s
0-200km/h = 7.4s
0-300km/h = 16.7
F1 Car
0-100km/h = 1.7s
0-200km/h = 3.8s
0-300km/h = 8.6s
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09-30-08, 04:40 PM
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"The German sports carmaker even purchased its own GT-R and set about testing it against both the 911 Turbo and GT2 and in both cases it claims the GT-R was the slowest"
Duh!!!!!!11
ROFL....I thought that most, if not all, of the comparos on various race tracks, the GT-R is already quicker than the 911 Turbo & Z06. What do they have to say to that.? That was not a classy move by Porsche.
09-30-08, 04:55 PM
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so pretty much porsche is calling nissan out.
did they buy a gt-r to reverse engineer some of the tech nissan put in the gt-r, or just to see if nissan was lying?
either way, there really wasn't a need to go public with this finding unless they wanted negative publicity towards nissan.
unexpected and not classsy of porsche.
did they buy a gt-r to reverse engineer some of the tech nissan put in the gt-r, or just to see if nissan was lying?
either way, there really wasn't a need to go public with this finding unless they wanted negative publicity towards nissan.
unexpected and not classsy of porsche.
09-30-08, 05:11 PM
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lol +1 Porsche needs to lighten their cars more
Also, what most of you posters don't realize is this:
The secret to the heavy GT-R's fast times? IT HAS SHORT GEARING!
How is it possible that it could barely beat a lot of supercars in a drag race, even tho it's heavier and/or makes less power? IT HAS SHORT GEARING!
HOW HOW HOW??? SHORT GEARING!
What's the GT-R max out at anywas? like 155 cuz of the short gearing?
PS I'm not saying in anyway that it got the 7 min and 29 seconds on the ring.
PPS I <3 both cars and companies equally (ok fine I only like a handful of nissans and all porsches) so I'm not saying either one is junk. They're both orgasmic
Also, what most of you posters don't realize is this:
The secret to the heavy GT-R's fast times? IT HAS SHORT GEARING!
How is it possible that it could barely beat a lot of supercars in a drag race, even tho it's heavier and/or makes less power? IT HAS SHORT GEARING!
HOW HOW HOW??? SHORT GEARING!
What's the GT-R max out at anywas? like 155 cuz of the short gearing?
PS I'm not saying in anyway that it got the 7 min and 29 seconds on the ring.
PPS I <3 both cars and companies equally (ok fine I only like a handful of nissans and all porsches) so I'm not saying either one is junk. They're both orgasmic
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09-30-08, 07:16 PM
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THere never was any 540 vs GS on the track comparos, having driven both on the street, the 540 does get the edge IMO with the GS right behind it.
I cannot believe the 2GS is picked on like its the only car to have OEM photos with a lower stance.
09-30-08, 07:45 PM
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I thought this was common knowledge? I never believed those times Nissan said they got, and I still dont. Until I see more third party test of the GTR on the ring, I wont believe what Nissan marketers are telling me.
Take the cars to the track, have a third party test and record the times is all I ask.
Take the cars to the track, have a third party test and record the times is all I ask.
09-30-08, 07:56 PM
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Well G I am a fan of Porsche and the GT-R clearly....and there are independent testers that did not get anywhere close to 7:29...
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4051269&page=5
GReat there there I am participating in. SOme silly posts but lots of data on the other tests.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4051269&page=5
GReat there there I am participating in. SOme silly posts but lots of data on the other tests.
09-30-08, 08:22 PM
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lol.....yea. ANd I remember reading Autoweek and seeing postings from an Italian mag Quattroroute that had the GTR in the mid 7:40 to low 7:50 range where IMO it should be. Right on par with the 911, F430, LP560 and not faster than Enzo's, Pagani's and Carerra GT's.
Either way its still an awesome car at a great price (even after the 9K price bump for '09) that I would at least like to check out soon.
Either way its still an awesome car at a great price (even after the 9K price bump for '09) that I would at least like to check out soon.