2009 Motor Trend Car of the Year
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Remember, Phil, the COTY award is for the most significant new vehicle that breaks new automotive ground, not necessarily for the one that appeals most to enthusiasts.
The 1-Series, as nice a car as it is, is, IMO, too much like the 3-Series, both in execution and price, to get the COTY award. The Genesis, as a significant new car, IMO, is a far more deserving candidate. It breaks new ground for a Korean manufacturer in the U.S.......a mid-to-large size, V6/V8 powered RWD sedan.
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I don't see where the GT-R really breaks that new an automotive ground in the U.S (see my answer to Phil above). We've had a number of supercars like it for sale here in the past, though, to an extent, it is the first true supercar for Nissan/Infiniti, if you don't count the twin-turbo 300ZX from the early/mid 90's.
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I don't see where the GT-R really breaks that new an automotive ground in the U.S (see my answer to Phil above). We've had a number of supercars like it for sale here in the past, though, to an extent, it is the first true supercar for Nissan/Infiniti, if you don't count the twin-turbo 300ZX from the early/mid 90's.
Twin Turbo 300ZX was nice for its time, but it is a shadow of what the GT-R represents. I never even considered that anywhere near a supercar.
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In fact, we have an active thread right now in CAR CHAT concerning the credibility of some of the GT-R's figures.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=382668
(That's an issue, BTW, I'm not taking sides in)
Twin Turbo 300ZX was nice for its time, but it is a shadow of what the GT-R represents. I never even considered that anywhere near a supercar.
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Though I obviously wasn't there to see it and verify the figures, supposedly, a new Cadillac CTS-V (a 4-door sedan) actually did better than the GT-R around the Nurburgring, and set a new record.
In fact, we have an active thread right now in CAR CHAT concerning the credibility of some of the GT-R's figures.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=382668
(That's an issue, BTW, I'm not taking sides in)
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In fact, we have an active thread right now in CAR CHAT concerning the credibility of some of the GT-R's figures.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=382668
(That's an issue, BTW, I'm not taking sides in)
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Of all the tests and reviews that have given GTR thumbs up in every aspect, you are going to question credibility because some drunk *** Porsche employee made some dumb remarks?
I thought you were a car guy.
PS in lot of the tests GTR has topped GT2 times, let alone TT
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(That's an issue, BTW, I'm not taking sides in)
But 1SICKLEX above is correct...the Hyundai Genesis makes a better case. It's not a supercar, but in our opinions does more of a job of breaking new ground.....the first U.S. market RWD sedan from a Korean manufacturer.
You may disagree with me (and, of course, you're free to), but that is how I see it.
Last edited by mmarshall; 10-01-08 at 07:53 PM.