gm to cancel all future full size suv's
10-28-08, 03:10 PM
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Anyone who can afford a boat or RV that needs a full sized truck frame to pull can afford to drive a minivan
Besides, 95% of full-size SUV owners drive them because they're trendy not because they offer some feature they need and use.
10-28-08, 03:20 PM
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I have no idea why you would want to drive one of these hulks every day,
but if you must have one, pick up a clean used 2002-2005 model for a
fraction of the cost of a new one. Resale on these is in the toilet.
Spend the savings on a more practical, fun and economical car for
every day use!
10-28-08, 03:30 PM
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No more Suburbans? No matter what gas costs, THAT is going to open up Pandora's box. Look for the value of used ones to skyrocket. The Suburban is an American icon. They've been around since 1936, probably in production longer than any other passenger-carrying truck-based vehicle.
In fact, today's Chevy HHR is taken from the styling of the Suburbans of the late 1940's:
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In fact, today's Chevy HHR is taken from the styling of the Suburbans of the late 1940's:
10-28-08, 04:02 PM
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SUV prices have been artificially high for years because of their popularity. Don't look for the Chevy, Ford, and Chrysler full-size lines to be discontinued, but it is more likely they will get a face-lift every 6-8 years, once typical of pickups. Too many of these vehicles are sold to commercial users who actually put their vehicles to work and require the versatile hauling and towing capacity and the practicality of a large SUV. I'd expect the Lincoln and Escalade models to disappear, and the designer and limited editions of the standard products to be scaled back. SUV's will be going back to their roots.
OTOH, look for crossovers to bloom. These combine the sporty style and some of the capacity of a large SUV with the economy of a smaller sedan. I don't think the love affair between Americans and their "trucklets" is over yet. Elevated sightlines, passenger room and load capacity may not quite be up to the levels of the big Suburbans, but their economy, handling, parking, and versatility make them a good compromise to a hatchback or mommy van.
OTOH, look for crossovers to bloom. These combine the sporty style and some of the capacity of a large SUV with the economy of a smaller sedan. I don't think the love affair between Americans and their "trucklets" is over yet. Elevated sightlines, passenger room and load capacity may not quite be up to the levels of the big Suburbans, but their economy, handling, parking, and versatility make them a good compromise to a hatchback or mommy van.
To go with that the profit margins on the SUV’s was just plain crazy. It’s like building a home, if someone says its $150 a foot to build then that may be true but not every square foot costs $150. The kitchen, bathrooms, furnaces and all that is what raises the cost so much. Once you have the frame up, it’s cheap to add more space.
This was the same thing with the big SUV’s. Add 20% more space and they could jack the price up and make huge margins.
Now they are going to have to pump out 3 times the volume of smaller cars to make that same buck. That is not a bad thing, just bad because it will take so much time for them to recover.
And they will STILL need larger SUV’s as part of their line up, they will just sell lower volumes.
10-28-08, 05:59 PM
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No joke on the quote.
To go with that the profit margins on the SUV’s was just plain crazy. It’s like building a home, if someone says its $150 a foot to build then that may be true but not every square foot costs $150. The kitchen, bathrooms, furnaces and all that is what raises the cost so much. Once you have the frame up, it’s cheap to add more space.
This was the same thing with the big SUV’s. Add 20% more space and they could jack the price up and make huge margins.
Now they are going to have to pump out 3 times the volume of smaller cars to make that same buck. That is not a bad thing, just bad because it will take so much time for them to recover.
And they will STILL need larger SUV’s as part of their line up, they will just sell lower volumes.
To go with that the profit margins on the SUV’s was just plain crazy. It’s like building a home, if someone says its $150 a foot to build then that may be true but not every square foot costs $150. The kitchen, bathrooms, furnaces and all that is what raises the cost so much. Once you have the frame up, it’s cheap to add more space.
This was the same thing with the big SUV’s. Add 20% more space and they could jack the price up and make huge margins.
Now they are going to have to pump out 3 times the volume of smaller cars to make that same buck. That is not a bad thing, just bad because it will take so much time for them to recover.
And they will STILL need larger SUV’s as part of their line up, they will just sell lower volumes.
Huge profit makers. They should have taken some of that money and invested in small cars or real hybrids.
Amazing the turnaround here.
10-28-08, 06:58 PM
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If this were Toyota they would be finding reasons to bolster their SUV sales. Oh wait Toyota already has. Powerful, more efficient redesigned engines, 6 speed transmissions, attractive redesigned models, and incentives.
10-28-08, 07:34 PM
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The current Toyota designs are pretty decent but I doubt you'll see Toyota pouring in a whole lot more dollars into these large designs until some fairly dramatic breakthroughs are made in hybrid/electric designs.
10-28-08, 09:58 PM
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should toyota look at this too and think about cutting off the sequia land cruiser and theyre rebadged counter parts
As for Land Cruiser. People in countries other than America use them for what they are designed for. They may stop selling it in the US. But the rest of the world will have them
10-28-08, 10:02 PM
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AWD Minivan? At the rate they're going, I half expect 300hp minivans for the next generation lol.
10-28-08, 10:04 PM
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The Sequoia is done. There will be no more redesign in the current body on frame form. If Toyota moves the Sequoia too a unibody similar to GL550 then they have a winner.
As for Land Cruiser. People in countries other than America use them for what they are designed for. They may stop selling it in the US. But the rest of the world will have them
As for Land Cruiser. People in countries other than America use them for what they are designed for. They may stop selling it in the US. But the rest of the world will have them
I'm with you on the Land Cruiser...
10-28-08, 10:20 PM
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[QUOTE=Trexus;3960572]The Sequoia isn't going anywhere just like the Tundra. Hopefully Toyota makes a hybrid version.
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The Sequoia is DONE. They cannot sell the current ones, they had to close production, the interior is ***** and Toyota cannot sell them anywhere else than North America.
Its done unless it goes unibody.
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The Sequoia is DONE. They cannot sell the current ones, they had to close production, the interior is ***** and Toyota cannot sell them anywhere else than North America.
Its done unless it goes unibody.
10-28-08, 10:31 PM
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Have you seen September 2008's sale of Sequoias? Toyota sold 2,030 last Semptember 2008 compared to 1,660 September 2007. Toyota sold 24,592 Sequoias from January - September 2008 compared to 17,959 Sequoia's sold from January - September 2007.
Get your facts straight. The Sequoia isn't going anywhere...
The Sequoia isn't going anywhere just like the Tundra. Hopefully Toyota makes a hybrid version.
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The Sequoia is DONE. They cannot sell the current ones, they had to close production, the interior is ***** and Toyota cannot sell them anywhere else than North America.
Its done unless it goes unibody.
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The Sequoia is DONE. They cannot sell the current ones, they had to close production, the interior is ***** and Toyota cannot sell them anywhere else than North America.
Its done unless it goes unibody.
Get your facts straight. The Sequoia isn't going anywhere...
10-28-08, 11:19 PM
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Get your facts straight.
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The facts are:
1. The Sequoia has the longest days on lot in the history of Toyota
2. Toyota had to shut down production even though the model is less that 1 years old.
3. The interior is *****
The Sequoia isn't going anywhere...
10-28-08, 11:33 PM
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I do have my facts straight. Do you? Toyota sold 60k units back in 2001 and were forcasting 60k units with the redesign. The sales of the Sequoia are good only when compared to last years old obsolete design.
The facts are:
1. The Sequoia has the longest days on lot in the history of Toyota
2. Toyota had to shut down production even though the model is less that 1 years old.
3. The interior is *****
Thats right. They sit on the lots.
The facts are:
1. The Sequoia has the longest days on lot in the history of Toyota
2. Toyota had to shut down production even though the model is less that 1 years old.
3. The interior is *****
Thats right. They sit on the lots.
Last edited by Trexus; 10-28-08 at 11:39 PM.
10-28-08, 11:51 PM
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The Sequoia will not get discontinued. Toyota will listen and improve the interior. The Sequoia is more reliable and more fuel efficient than the Armada/QX56, Tahoe/Escalade, Expedition/Navigator and Durango/Aspen. Also remember gas did spike to over $4/gallon earlier in the year and the economy is tanking so I'm sure Toyota won't be selling 60K units anytime soon..but it is selling well in this rough financial environment.
A bland interior was a big problem with the previous gen Sequoia and here we are again, are you sure they are listening?