I just don't get Audi...
11-16-08, 11:25 AM
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That'll be very very very unlikely. Mid to low 40's to me means from $40k to $46k so let's take a look at the A4 3.2 base MSRP:
Premium Plus quattro: $40k
Prestige quattro: $43k
By pricing the S4 even at mid 40's will totally eliminate the purpose of A4 3.2 imo.
Given that the base MSRP for the S5 is $50k I would guesstimate the S4 will start at around $49k. However, good luck on finding one at that price, most you see in the dealers will be around $54k with the tech + navi package (base on the S5 pricing). At $54k, I'll just get a M3 sedan...
Premium Plus quattro: $40k
Prestige quattro: $43k
By pricing the S4 even at mid 40's will totally eliminate the purpose of A4 3.2 imo.
Given that the base MSRP for the S5 is $50k I would guesstimate the S4 will start at around $49k. However, good luck on finding one at that price, most you see in the dealers will be around $54k with the tech + navi package (base on the S5 pricing). At $54k, I'll just get a M3 sedan...
11-16-08, 11:32 AM
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Lack of sales? Where are you getting your information from
Audi is setting sales records as we speak!
http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayRe...4920739&EDATE=
Not bad for a global recession
Audi is setting sales records as we speak!http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayRe...4920739&EDATE=
Not bad for a global recession
11-16-08, 11:39 AM
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I could care less about Audi or any other auto maker.....but I feel it is my obligation to correct people when they are posting lies....and spewing information they have no business talking about.
Let's just hug it out and move on with our lives!
11-16-08, 11:46 AM
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M3- 414 hp
How is this almost a 100 hp difference
You guys are killing me
11-16-08, 11:58 AM
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Why would I be in the market for a new Audi? I'm driving a new IS-F
I could care less about Audi or any other auto maker.....but I feel it is my obligation to correct people when they are posting lies....and spewing information they have no business talking about.
Let's just hug it out and move on with our lives!
I could care less about Audi or any other auto maker.....but I feel it is my obligation to correct people when they are posting lies....and spewing information they have no business talking about.
Let's just hug it out and move on with our lives!
11-16-08, 12:05 PM
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11-16-08, 12:42 PM
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Lack of sales? Where are you getting your information from Audi is setting sales records as we speak!
http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayRe...4920739&EDATE=
Not bad for a global recession
Audi is setting sales records as we speak!http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayRe...4920739&EDATE=
Not bad for a global recession
11-16-08, 01:11 PM
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didn't audi revise the 2.0T numbers to 211hp/256tq? should be just as quick as the 328 and faster than the IS250 and C300 right?
they need a new 300+hp 3.5 motor to compete with is IS350/335i/G35
I'm sure it will come sooner rather than later.
(they already have a 3.6liter but it only makes 280hp)
they need a new 300+hp 3.5 motor to compete with is IS350/335i/G35
I'm sure it will come sooner rather than later.
(they already have a 3.6liter but it only makes 280hp)
11-16-08, 01:33 PM
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the 3.6 makes 300hp in passat cc and the passat r36
11-16-08, 08:58 PM
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Apparently Audi agrees, and in a move to further differentiate its lineup – while also providing some competition to the all-conquering BMW 335i – it's fitted the new S4 with a supercharged 3.0-liter V6 putting out 333 hp and 325 lb-ft of torque.
I wonder who's killing who...
11-17-08, 03:29 AM
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Um the new S4 isn't even out yet....and we were never discussing the new S5...we were comparing the S4 that produces yep you guessed it 350 hp. I know, I used to own one and dynoed 351 hp (BHP). So are we comparing cars that aren't even in production until 2010? If that's the case, then I'm going to say right here and now, that the new IS-F will beat the old E92 M3 around the track because it's going to improve the suspension and weight distribution by moving the 2UR-GSE engine back 2 inches...lol. Why blow 65k when for 60 err 54k msrp I can have an M3 killer
http://jalopnik.com/383559/2010-audi...upercharged-v6
I'm going to special order a new IS-F for 2015 so I can make false claims regarding performance!
http://jalopnik.com/383559/2010-audi...upercharged-v6
I'm going to special order a new IS-F for 2015 so I can make false claims regarding performance!
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11-17-08, 07:01 AM
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Um the new S4 isn't even out yet....and we were never discussing the new S5...we were comparing the S4 that produces yep you guessed it 350 hp. I know, I used to own one and dynoed 351 hp (BHP). So are we comparing cars that aren't even in production until 2010? If that's the case, then I'm going to say right here and now, that the new IS-F will beat the old E92 M3 around the track because it's going to improve the suspension and weight distribution by moving the 2UR-GSE engine back 2 inches...lol. Why blow 65k when for 60 err 54k msrp I can have an M3 killer
http://jalopnik.com/383559/2010-audi...upercharged-v6
I'm going to special order a new IS-F for 2015 so I can make false claims regarding performance!
http://jalopnik.com/383559/2010-audi...upercharged-v6
I'm going to special order a new IS-F for 2015 so I can make false claims regarding performance!
That article that you posted is actually quite outdated and contains speculation from before they released the production specs for the car.
The production S4 has a 3.0L Supercharged V6 with 333 hp.
http://www.zimbio.com/All+World+Auto...s+New+S4+Paris
or
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/au...eilednews.html
11-17-08, 09:32 AM
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FWIW,
That article that you posted is actually quite outdated and contains speculation from before they released the production specs for the car.
The production S4 has a 3.0L Supercharged V6 with 333 hp.
http://www.zimbio.com/All+World+Auto...s+New+S4+Paris
or
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/au...eilednews.html
That article that you posted is actually quite outdated and contains speculation from before they released the production specs for the car.
The production S4 has a 3.0L Supercharged V6 with 333 hp.
http://www.zimbio.com/All+World+Auto...s+New+S4+Paris
or
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/au...eilednews.html
I rest my case...
The best info we have so far on the S4 is 333 hp so I am sticking with that. I'll say it again, at around $54k and if AWD is not needed I just don't see a point of getting that over the M3 sedan.
RS4 vs M3: good match up if price is not a factor
S4 vs M3: eh...
S4 vs 335xi: good match up if price is not a factor
A4 3.2 vs. 335xi: good match up (pricing wise...) if performance is not a factor
A4 3.2 vs. 328xi: good match up if price is not a factor
A4 2.0T vs. 328xi: good match up
Audi should just elminate the A4 3.2 and start the SC 3.0 S4 at around low to mid 40's.
Last edited by ffpowerLN; 11-17-08 at 09:42 AM.