More lol: Acura V8 won't arrive until 2015
11-30-08, 07:35 PM
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lol, what were they going to stick in the NSX?
Its a shame when it almost seems like the Honda line has more prestige and focus than the Acura line now. Its almost like Acura is holding back Honda from doing stuff (i.e. Honda cant offer X because it would infringe upon Acura)
The timeless designs of the 3rd generation TL and even the RL are no more. Now we have the ugly monstrosities out there right now. I'm not sure if they are being stubborn, obstinate or what. Do they use a test market at all??? Did they not learn from their horrible nsx concept car experience? Seems like the only thing they learned was to not display one @ an auto show in advance anymore. I'm willing to bet some high up exec saw how ugly it was and didnt want to deal with the backlash from a nightmare auto show experience and sent it straight to production.
Its just a shame the possibilities that they could have done with these designs.
Its a shame when it almost seems like the Honda line has more prestige and focus than the Acura line now. Its almost like Acura is holding back Honda from doing stuff (i.e. Honda cant offer X because it would infringe upon Acura)
The timeless designs of the 3rd generation TL and even the RL are no more. Now we have the ugly monstrosities out there right now. I'm not sure if they are being stubborn, obstinate or what. Do they use a test market at all??? Did they not learn from their horrible nsx concept car experience? Seems like the only thing they learned was to not display one @ an auto show in advance anymore. I'm willing to bet some high up exec saw how ugly it was and didnt want to deal with the backlash from a nightmare auto show experience and sent it straight to production.
Its just a shame the possibilities that they could have done with these designs.
11-30-08, 11:26 PM
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20 years to late. lexus came out with a v8 a long long time ago, and nissan/ infiniti as well. When large motors are no longer desired they produce their first???? Thats a little GM sounding to me. I love honda and I know they know what they are doing. I wonder if this is the motor for the new NSX or are they going with a v10??
12-01-08, 04:07 AM
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Thank you, I agree. 1sick's relentless pursuit to dog Honda when he can is sometimes funny, but getting old. We all know how he feels about Honda/Acura. I, myself, have questioned Honda's designs as of late and have to wonder where their styling is headed. I have faith in Honda, though, and they will, once again, build visually appealing cars. Maybe Mike should ask himself how it is that Honda, even today, remains one of the most successful car companies in history.
12-01-08, 12:56 PM
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Thank you, I agree. 1sick's relentless pursuit to dog Honda when he can is sometimes funny, but getting old. We all know how he feels about Honda/Acura. I, myself, have questioned Honda's designs as of late and have to wonder where their styling is headed. I have faith in Honda, though, and they will, once again, build visually appealing cars. Maybe Mike should ask himself how it is that Honda, even today, remains one of the most successful car companies in history.
Sorry, but I agree with Mike. I guarantee you that he'd be recanting his statements about Honda if they actually stepped up to the plate and delivered something we'd all want. But I seriously doubt they will.
12-01-08, 01:12 PM
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And this faith is based on what? The only two Hondas I'd own, the NSX & S2000, were designed by a man no longer with the company. Everything recently penned, from the RL redesign, new TL, and any new NSX rendering, has looked uninspiring. I don't think there will be another Honda that I'll want to own in the future unless it's another used NSX.
Sorry, but I agree with Mike. I guarantee you that he'd be recanting his statements about Honda if they actually stepped up to the plate and delivered something we'd all want. But I seriously doubt they will.
Sorry, but I agree with Mike. I guarantee you that he'd be recanting his statements about Honda if they actually stepped up to the plate and delivered something we'd all want. But I seriously doubt they will.
Integra GS-R or Type R
S2000
CRX
Del Sol
Civic SI (with a real suspension)
Accord with flip up head lights, 4th and 5th gens
Prelude, Prelude Sh, Prelude Si
NSX!!!! NSX Type R, Zarnadi NSX
Legend
Honda has become the new Toyota, period, except they are lot uglier, less powerful and Acura has become a complete joke. The S2000 is the only sports car they sell now. We have Elements, Pilots, giant Accords, ugly Acuras etc.
Don't get mad at me. Get mad at Honda/Acura for doing what Toyota did. Going after sales and profit and ignoring the people that loved these cars initially.
Acura shouldn't be contining to "talk" about a V-8, which is MANDATORY for a luxury brand. Hyundai or Kia didn't talk much, like Nike, they said "just do it".
You think I'm bad? You should read NSXPrime and how those guys feel the direction Honda/Acura has taken. Or just re-read what pvMike1 said.
12-01-08, 01:18 PM
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^^ As I said, I, myself, have questioned their latest designs. Honda has done this before with the Accord in 1994-1998. I was flabbergasted at that design. Honda came through with the 1999-2003 model which was so much better, I even bought one, A 2002. The 2004-2007 was even better, IMO. This is the faith that I have in Honda. The new Accord is not my style but who knows, maybe the next gen. will do it for me. They've come through for me in the past, so history tells me that they'll do it again.
You base your opinion strictly from an enthusiasts point of few, which is okay, but keep in mind that Honda builds cars mostly for the mainstream.
It would be pretty smug to think that one or two bad designs is enough to completely write-off a car company forever, especially one with such a jeweled past, like Honda.
You base your opinion strictly from an enthusiasts point of few, which is okay, but keep in mind that Honda builds cars mostly for the mainstream.
It would be pretty smug to think that one or two bad designs is enough to completely write-off a car company forever, especially one with such a jeweled past, like Honda.
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12-01-08, 01:21 PM
#40
20 years to late. lexus came out with a v8 a long long time ago, and nissan/ infiniti as well. When large motors are no longer desired they produce their first???? Thats a little GM sounding to me. I love honda and I know they know what they are doing. I wonder if this is the motor for the new NSX or are they going with a v10??
12-01-08, 01:31 PM
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Some interesting history about Honda's engine philosophy...
http://world.honda.com/history/chall...e/text/01.html
http://world.honda.com/history/chall...e/text/01.html
12-01-08, 01:46 PM
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^^ As I said, I, myself, have questioned their latest designs. Honda has done this before with the Accord in 1994-1998. I was flabbergasted at that design. Honda came through with the 1999-2003 model which was so much better, I even bought one, A 2002. The 2004-2007 was even better, IMO. This is the faith that I have in Honda. The new Accord is not my style but who knows, maybe the next gen. will do it for me. They've come through for me in the past, so history tells me that they'll do it again.
You base your opinion strictly from an enthusiasts point of few, which is okay, but keep in mind that Honda builds cars mostly for the mainstream.
It would be pretty smug to think that one or two bad designs is enough to completely write-off a car company forever, especially one with such a jeweled past, like Honda.
You base your opinion strictly from an enthusiasts point of few, which is okay, but keep in mind that Honda builds cars mostly for the mainstream.
It would be pretty smug to think that one or two bad designs is enough to completely write-off a car company forever, especially one with such a jeweled past, like Honda.
This is about Acura. For years I've called this brand out for being what it is, pseudo luxury. Knock-off luxury. Imitation luxury. Year by year, they prove my point. They make statements like "want to be Tier 1" and "we will make this" and then we get concepts like that giant robot *****.
Acura's tagline is "Advance" but outside of some nifty Nav and SH-AWD, there is nothing "Advanced" about the brand. The Honda Accord is pretty much just as good as a TL/RL losing on a few options. That is a problem, especially since its now BETTER looking. Now to add insult to injury, they have argueably the UGLIEST lineup around.
I have no faith in Acura. None. Lets look around, the competition has NOT stood still. Acura is saying "We will have a V-8 soon" like no one else does. Lexus has what 4 or 5 V-8s? Infiniti has 2. Volvo has one. Ford, Chevy, Pontiac, Hyundai, Kia, Lincoln, who doesn't have a V-8?
Adding a V-8 solves nothing really. Expensive Acuras don't sell. They waited WAAAY to long to make one. Lets say its 2015 and they have a V-8. Well so the hell what.
Everyone else has had a V-8 for decades. Lexus and Infiniti would have one for almost 30 years.
12-01-08, 02:30 PM
#45
to me the logic is very simple. i know honda is capable, they definitely are. given their racing history, i am sure they can make very good engines. but the fact is they haven't
and given the market / trend, hyundai came out with a good v8 setup way before honda does? tell me that doesn't say something....
and given the market / trend, hyundai came out with a good v8 setup way before honda does? tell me that doesn't say something....