Lexus GS-F is coming
12-06-08, 02:15 AM
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RX F?
12-06-08, 02:17 AM
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12-06-08, 02:17 AM
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Lets me clear the GS met and exceeded sales targets its first 2 years and sold well until this year. We can all agree its not a grand slam like the last gen was.
1. Increased competition
2. While every other car in this class got bigger, the GS stayed the same size
3. Average marketing
4. Minimal lease deals
5. The ES/IS got better and stole some GS buyers.
6. V-8 GS isn't the powerhouse compared to the last model. The GS 350's engine is nearly perfect.
1. Increased competition
2. While every other car in this class got bigger, the GS stayed the same size
3. Average marketing
4. Minimal lease deals
5. The ES/IS got better and stole some GS buyers.
6. V-8 GS isn't the powerhouse compared to the last model. The GS 350's engine is nearly perfect.
Everything else, car got it covered, and I am really happy after 1 year with it...
I hope Lexus goes radical with interior space - new RX seems to have gone a bit that way, and does not accept "class standards" for premium RWD sedans...
As to the IS-F feeling like Toyota, which Toyota is that? Let me know, since I drive them all :-). Even german mags, loved IS-F, and they dont love any Lexus.
12-06-08, 02:44 AM
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I have not even seen an IS-F on the streets of SoCal yet ... I can't believe what the article is saying that it outsold the latter, especially since I just saw like ... 6 M3's today ... within 10 minutes of each other, and no they weren't together. I want to see an IS-F 
Maybe F owners like to keep to themselves 
Maybe F owners like to keep to themselves
12-06-08, 03:05 AM
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I have not even seen an IS-F on the streets of SoCal yet ... I can't believe what the article is saying that it outsold the latter, especially since I just saw like ... 6 M3's today ... within 10 minutes of each other, and no they weren't together. I want to see an IS-F Maybe F owners like to keep to themselves
Maybe F owners like to keep to themselves But I hear you guys....although I've seen more GT-R's locally (about 6?) than M3's (2)....and so far no other IS F's???
12-06-08, 03:54 AM
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What the ISF,GSF,LSF needs are adjustable suspension the fly just like the new CTS-V.
It's a crime when a Lexus rides worse than a BMW. When I want to be hardcore,a high performance Lexus needs to be able to hang with an M3. When I want to be coddled, it should do it better than any other rival in its segment--like Lexus has always been famous for.
It's a crime when a Lexus rides worse than a BMW. When I want to be hardcore,a high performance Lexus needs to be able to hang with an M3. When I want to be coddled, it should do it better than any other rival in its segment--like Lexus has always been famous for.
12-06-08, 04:17 AM
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Admittedly, I can't vouch for the months in between.
12-06-08, 05:10 AM
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I still have yet to see a new M3 here in Atlanta driving around. Very odd. I've seen plenty of IS-Fs and C63s though. I do know BMW plans to sell over 100,000 M3s this go round. That is A LOT of cars.
12-06-08, 06:51 AM
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The engine strategy for the GS launch with the I6 and the 3UZ carryover was a terrible decision by Lexus. If they had launched with just the GS350 I think there would have been lot more early positive press.
Speaking of which, WTF is up with car manufacturers that put a new car on sale with an old POS engine with a great new engine for model year #2. Why would I want to be an early adopter? Think 3GS, Lincoln MKS (Ecoboost coming), Taurus with the 3.0L V6 instead of the 3.5, BMW 330 then 335, etc...
12-06-08, 07:36 AM
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You guys obviously have the right to disagree that the ISF outsold its competitors last month, and it is really hard to determine that based on how the sales data is compiled.
That said, let's get real on how we are forming these opinions. "How many I have seen in my area" is hardly scientific and is perhaps the most inaccurate metric you could use. I have seen more ISFs than I have Corolla XRSs so I guess the IS is outselling the Corolla. I have also seen more LS600hLs than new Maximas so I guess the LS hybrid is outselling the Maxima too.
That said, let's get real on how we are forming these opinions. "How many I have seen in my area" is hardly scientific and is perhaps the most inaccurate metric you could use. I have seen more ISFs than I have Corolla XRSs so I guess the IS is outselling the Corolla. I have also seen more LS600hLs than new Maximas so I guess the LS hybrid is outselling the Maxima too.
12-06-08, 07:55 AM
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That said, let's get real on how we are forming these opinions. "How many I have seen in my area" is hardly scientific and is perhaps the most inaccurate metric you could use. I have seen more ISFs than I have Corolla XRSs so I guess the IS is outselling the Corolla. I have also seen more LS600hLs than new Maximas so I guess the LS hybrid is outselling the Maxima too.
12-06-08, 08:15 AM
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You guys obviously have the right to disagree that the ISF outsold its competitors last month, and it is really hard to determine that based on how the sales data is compiled.
That said, let's get real on how we are forming these opinions. "How many I have seen in my area" is hardly scientific and is perhaps the most inaccurate metric you could use. I have seen more ISFs than I have Corolla XRSs so I guess the IS is outselling the Corolla. I have also seen more LS600hLs than new Maximas so I guess the LS hybrid is outselling the Maxima too.
That said, let's get real on how we are forming these opinions. "How many I have seen in my area" is hardly scientific and is perhaps the most inaccurate metric you could use. I have seen more ISFs than I have Corolla XRSs so I guess the IS is outselling the Corolla. I have also seen more LS600hLs than new Maximas so I guess the LS hybrid is outselling the Maxima too.
12-06-08, 09:08 AM
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I'm assuming 500+ means 600 horses, because thats what it will need by the time it comes out to compete with the RS6, M5, Eclass AMG.
And a LS-F in many ways does make sense too. If people buy these cars (like Lexus is claiming with the IS-F) more cars with the V10 engine would only lower the cost of producing that engine. It could lower the price of the LF-A dramatically if they ever decide to make it (its baffling to me why they would make such a great looking sport car and not want to sell it)
And a LS-F in many ways does make sense too. If people buy these cars (like Lexus is claiming with the IS-F) more cars with the V10 engine would only lower the cost of producing that engine. It could lower the price of the LF-A dramatically if they ever decide to make it (its baffling to me why they would make such a great looking sport car and not want to sell it)
WOW!!!!!!! Spoken like a VETERAN and not a rookie!
And yes it will need closer to 600hp by the time it comes out.... OR... As with the mighty GT-R... It will need to make absolutely the best use of it's 500hp.
12-06-08, 09:11 AM
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Well I can't speak for the ATL.... But... There are PLENTY rolling around Big D! 2 of which are in close proximity to me as I see them at grocery store, 7/11, etc. Badass car no doubt.