nabbun

i have a 09 sonata 4 banger

it's more fuel efficient than the camry 4 banger because it's gearing is so damn tall. that means I don't go anywhere when I floor it. it also makes my Q7 v8 feel like a rocketship and suddenly it doesn't feel like it weighs 15 tons lol

I'd pick the camry over the sonata anyday. It's roomier and nicer everall. The sonata only has a price advantage.

I also don't like having less sound deadening (I can hear the gas flowing into the tank when filling up . . .) and the god damn annoying Reverse gear lock (won't let you go into reverse until you are completely stopped. engine is WTF loud. I do like the nifty change from inside air to outside air when playing with the air vent ****.

But, I digress.

Yes. Hyundai's come a long way. But, they still have a bit to go.

Also, Price is a factor for many people.

but those people are the mainstream shoppers who only care for a vehicle that'll takem from point A to point B and not have it fall apart in the meantime.

for enthusiasts, price is what keeps us out of the vehicles we truly desire lol

it's like comparing roadsters.

does Porsche make the best damn (mass production) roadster on the road?

or is it the pontiac solstice gxp because it's faster and cheaper?

speedflex

Whether these higher end products from Hyundai ultimately prove to be successful or not (certainly the Genesis Sedan can be called a qualified success at this point) I think they have to sort out what their brand is. I'm not getting what Genesis is or means. Is it a model within Hyundai? So what do they mean by Genesis coupe? Obviously it is not derived from the sedan. And if they offer this Equus here then what will it be called? Hyundai Genesis Equus? Hyundai Equus? Genesis Equus? Will it be the official launch of a premium brand above Hyundai? If so where does that put the Genesis? It's not making sense right now.

Jujharoo

It would fail just like the VW Phantom.

speedflex

What's a VW Phantom? Do you mean Pheaton?

joe80

it's gonna be called genesis prestige if they bring it over here. i think ultimately these genesis models will be a separate genesis brand. it's just too costly and too much of a gamble to start a new luxury brand now especially in today's horrible economy. i also think they want to see if they have a shot at it first before spending billions. i think it's plus plus because genesis will help hyundai as a brand, and hyundai will find out where they stand 4-5 years later.

i can only see a huge success(maybe not sales success, but improving their perception) which will lead to a genesis luxury brand.

joe80

actually sonata is roomier than camry.
http://www.truedelta.com/comparisons...ion_code=&aff=

and if camry is faster, it's not by much. 0-60 is 9 second ish on both.

Mr. Jones

quite a few people say the original LS in its day was the world's greatest sedan. I can name a number of innovations it featured, can't say the same about the Genesis.

most driving enthusiasts are rarely in the market for a 4000lb+ premium luxury sedans.

my point was the LS did more than just undercut its rivals in terms of pricing. Lexus wasn't just satisfied benchmarking the competition, rather exceeding their competition. And how do you know Lexus sold the LS at a loss? Reminds me of how Lutz and domestic aficionados once claimed the Prius sold at a loss too.

The ES is essentially in its own class, and I already stated the GS isn't up to par.

what new supercharged Tau V8, are you referring to their prototype engine. A prototype isn't a production engine.
I'm glad Hyundai is picking up a 8 speed, but I asked for innovations by Hyundai.

and which BMW engines use DI again.

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Hmm, most of the mainstream American auto mags place the 4 cyl Sonata above the 4 cyl Camry and many also place the Elantra over the Corolla.

most mainstream American auto mags testers are interested in the irrelevant. The Corolla sells thanks to high fuel economy and safety. maybe Hyundai should work on getting their safety standards up to par with 10 year old Toyotas.

http://www.iihs.org/ratings/ratingsbyseries.aspx?id=318
http://www.iihs.org/ratings/ratingsbyseries.aspx?id=318

when did Bose sells the most speakers in the world?

LexFather

Ladies and Gents, lets get this back on the Hyundai Equos people .Thanks.

Mr. Jones

a mild hybrid that runs on liquified petroleum gas.

Koma

iTrader: (3)

You mean GS. The Genesis does not compete with the LS. It is a luxury sports sedan just like the GS.

Mr. Jones

I was responding to the post that the Genesis outsells the RL.

I'd expect it to since the RL isn't what the market wanted and it is old. It's a failure so setting the bar low doesn't make the Genesis a good seller.

I completely agree about SH-awd, Toyota dropped All-Trac in their cars for a reason. I remember their was a huge fuss about awd making a comeback, VW/Audi was supposed to dominate. Turns out brands like Ferrari and Toyota were right, nobody cares. Some people don't realize even the Camry had an awd option in the 1988. Toyota picked up on market trends and dropped it.

I believe it came with lane keeping assist which was first for a Japanese vehicle. Even so Nissan is a very innovative nameplate.

The GS sales expectations were set very low to begin with. 24k/annual sales was nothing, the 5er and E-class were outselling it badly. And now the GS has the new E-class to deal with

The GS when launched didn't even feature a VDIM cutoff so the magazines couldn't even properly compare it. Then the GS had all those rattles and reliability issues.

Lexus has always been good at luxury but why didn't Lexus bring the chassis up to German standards? If they had I bet the GS would be far more successful. The GS is still extremely safe, quiet and luxurious.

the Genesis and the latest 7spd Infiniti auto have been on the market for about the same duration. I agree about the leather dash, makes me wonder why Lexus hasn't picked up on this. But technically the top of the Genesis dash is still plastic.

No chance, no mainstream brand attempts to sell $40k+ sedans in the US market.

LexFather

Mr. Jones, I said bring it back to the Equos. That doesn't exempt YOU from answering. Your GS post is WRONG, the initial sales goal with 36k which LEXUS MET. The LS has a Leather dash option.

Any posts from here that are not about the Equos will be DELETED.

FKL

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The 3.0L twin turbo uses a direct injection system, for one. So does the twin turbo diesel powerplant.

Mr. Jones

I'd respond but 1SICK says to bring the thread back on-topic.

FKL

I didn't see that post before I hit reply