2010 Hyundai Genesis V6 Twin Turbo? Any Ideas?
01-28-09, 04:16 AM
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Just goes to show you, everyone's perceptions are different. See, in my opinion, the Ram is an absolute piece of garbage.
01-28-09, 04:36 AM
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01-28-09, 08:23 AM
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OT, but the ram is amazingly ugly to me, but it's very functional, and majorly upgraded, especially the new one. and now it has actual springs at the back (first for a big truck?) i bet it rides better than most any big truck.
01-28-09, 02:11 PM
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My 07 IS has no rattles at 24K miles, but I'll keep listening.
OT, but this reminds me of when I was talking to a Mercedes fleet manager last November. We were discussing Lexus quality and he kept dwelling on the Lexus console and how they rattle and shake and you could never fix it, who knows wtf he was referring to. And this was a seasoned fleet manager, how lame. Of course he didn't want to discuss the multitude of quality issues with Mercedes in 2001-2007 including SBC brake recall, brake light assembly failures, power steering leaks, air suspension failures, audio system failures, endless brake dust complaints, etc. He knew there was no comparison between Lexus and Benz quality.
Back on topic, the Genesis sure seems competitive, but I haven't driven one yet.
OT, but this reminds me of when I was talking to a Mercedes fleet manager last November. We were discussing Lexus quality and he kept dwelling on the Lexus console and how they rattle and shake and you could never fix it, who knows wtf he was referring to. And this was a seasoned fleet manager, how lame. Of course he didn't want to discuss the multitude of quality issues with Mercedes in 2001-2007 including SBC brake recall, brake light assembly failures, power steering leaks, air suspension failures, audio system failures, endless brake dust complaints, etc. He knew there was no comparison between Lexus and Benz quality.
Back on topic, the Genesis sure seems competitive, but I haven't driven one yet.
01-28-09, 02:49 PM
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Sorry to have strayed OT.
01-28-09, 02:51 PM
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My assertion that Lexus/Toyota have engineered cheapness into their cars is based on the following:
1. My car is driven in S. Florida on great roads, and the vehicle has about 9,700 miles on it. It's hardly abused.
2. I have two other cars with at least double the mileage that do not rattle at all, and they cost half what the Lexus cost.
3. The dealers are giving up on fixing rattles, and instead claiming that this is a normal trait of the car. That's what my Pontiac dealer told me back in 1991, just to put that in perspective.
Your mileage will (hopefully) vary. For me, this is a first time/last time purchase, as my two American vehicles are rattle free and as reliable as the Lexus. Just my experience and opinion.
By the way, I drove the Genesis during an invitational that included a course that basically beat the hell out of the car - rumble strips, etc. It was quiet as a vault, and had the crap kicked out of it by at least 100 others before I got to it. Incidentally, they also allowed me to drive a CTS and and a Mercedes back to back with the Genesis for comparison purposes. The CTS was ok, the Mercedes was fantastic, and the Genesis fell right in the middle at less than half the price of the Mercedes.
1. My car is driven in S. Florida on great roads, and the vehicle has about 9,700 miles on it. It's hardly abused.
2. I have two other cars with at least double the mileage that do not rattle at all, and they cost half what the Lexus cost.
3. The dealers are giving up on fixing rattles, and instead claiming that this is a normal trait of the car. That's what my Pontiac dealer told me back in 1991, just to put that in perspective.
Your mileage will (hopefully) vary. For me, this is a first time/last time purchase, as my two American vehicles are rattle free and as reliable as the Lexus. Just my experience and opinion.
By the way, I drove the Genesis during an invitational that included a course that basically beat the hell out of the car - rumble strips, etc. It was quiet as a vault, and had the crap kicked out of it by at least 100 others before I got to it. Incidentally, they also allowed me to drive a CTS and and a Mercedes back to back with the Genesis for comparison purposes. The CTS was ok, the Mercedes was fantastic, and the Genesis fell right in the middle at less than half the price of the Mercedes.
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01-28-09, 09:30 PM
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the Genesis is truly a luxury platform car from Hyundai. I have driven it. I was reading where insiders in Hyundai know it is too difficult and costly to start a new luxury brand like Toyota/Lexus becuase of the lack of a dealer network, funding, etc.
But truly the Genesis was built with overall top quality and new luxury line in mind. The pitfall and they know is that it will be difficult to sustain growth with a Hyundai name, which is why they left the "H" badge off the front of the car. I thought this was interesting. Stigma is a *****!
But truly the Genesis was built with overall top quality and new luxury line in mind. The pitfall and they know is that it will be difficult to sustain growth with a Hyundai name, which is why they left the "H" badge off the front of the car. I thought this was interesting. Stigma is a *****!
01-29-09, 10:02 AM
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Sure it's gonna cost a crapload of money, but if they execute successfully and are truly that confident in their product there shouldn't be a problem in recouping the money within a reasonable amount of time and then some.
01-29-09, 01:59 PM
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To me that is an invalid excuse for Hyundai not to do so, it really is IMO. I'm looking at that excuse as Hyundai's too cheap and not willing to put the effort into doing so and in the process winning me over as a customer.
Sure it's gonna cost a crapload of money, but if they execute successfully and are truly that confident in their product there shouldn't be a problem in recouping the money within a reasonable amount of time and then some.
Sure it's gonna cost a crapload of money, but if they execute successfully and are truly that confident in their product there shouldn't be a problem in recouping the money within a reasonable amount of time and then some.
You would need to spend billions on the packaging if you didn't have great new models that could pull up the entire brand with it.
But with the money Hyundai is saving, they can pass on the savings to the customers. Isn't that we want? A top of the line product without the top of the line MSRP?
It would kind of break my heart to see badgewh0res buying Hyundai cars being sold under a new luxury marque called "Genesis".
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01-29-09, 03:17 PM
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In 10 years, perhaps we will see that they did execute successfully. Echoing Epik151, it begins with quality cars and everything else follows. Why prematurely invest in a dealer network when you can get people talking first, which they have clearly done very successfully.
01-29-09, 07:57 PM
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To me that is an invalid excuse for Hyundai not to do so, it really is IMO. I'm looking at that excuse as Hyundai's too cheap and not willing to put the effort into doing so and in the process winning me over as a customer.
Sure it's gonna cost a crapload of money, but if they execute successfully and are truly that confident in their product there shouldn't be a problem in recouping the money within a reasonable amount of time and then some.
Sure it's gonna cost a crapload of money, but if they execute successfully and are truly that confident in their product there shouldn't be a problem in recouping the money within a reasonable amount of time and then some.
01-29-09, 08:05 PM
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To me that is an invalid excuse for Hyundai not to do so, it really is IMO. I'm looking at that excuse as Hyundai's too cheap and not willing to put the effort into doing so and in the process winning me over as a customer.
Sure it's gonna cost a crapload of money, but if they execute successfully and are truly that confident in their product there shouldn't be a problem in recouping the money within a reasonable amount of time and then some.
Sure it's gonna cost a crapload of money, but if they execute successfully and are truly that confident in their product there shouldn't be a problem in recouping the money within a reasonable amount of time and then some.
A new luxury brand today would easily cost 5 billion. Then do they have the expertise and resources to do so?
01-29-09, 10:20 PM
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Yes they have no cache and are not yet considered to be premium vehicle brands.