January 2009 Automobile Sales
02-04-09, 09:56 AM
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it's difficult. b/c infiniti M is doing pretty well here.
02-04-09, 10:02 AM
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the tier 1, BMW and MB, not stable here~~ needs one more brand to fit in.
in terms of sale numbers, audi could fit here.(audi sells a lot small cars though). but in terms of many other things (reputation, etc), audi is in the 2 tier.
I think Lexus has a chance to get into the first Tier as long as they keep doing their job right, expand into more countries and make more models and variants.
so I think in future. it could be
tier 1: MB, BMW, Lexus(or audi)
tier 2: audi, vovlo, cadillac(or infiniti)
tier 3: acura, infinit and lincoln.
02-04-09, 10:06 AM
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We both know Audis and love them but its becoming clear 
they just won't ever sell better in America. For years I've said there is only room for 3 Tier 1 brands. BMW/Benz/Lexus. Its not like any of those 3 are losing sight of the game so that continues to make it tougher for Audi. The 3 series outsold Audi!!! That is crazy!!! Sad b/c they make a great product.
BMW raised prices and they have changed the strategy from trying to beat Lexus in sales with leases. So sales should go down as they try to create more profit.
You see times like these are a great time for someone to sneak in. I think Hyundai with the Genesis really is perfect. Its a fantastic luxury vehicle without the badge, which is what many people want now. I was really rooting for Infiniti here but they missed the boat.
We will only see consolidation in the future. Saab might be gone. Sadly maybe even Volvo. Lincoln is hanging on.
With the economic climate not changing and consumer confidence in the toilet, I really don't expect much to change at all.
One thing is CPO cars are selling like hotcakes!
they just won't ever sell better in America. For years I've said there is only room for 3 Tier 1 brands. BMW/Benz/Lexus. Its not like any of those 3 are losing sight of the game so that continues to make it tougher for Audi. The 3 series outsold Audi!!! That is crazy!!! Sad b/c they make a great product. BMW raised prices and they have changed the strategy from trying to beat Lexus in sales with leases. So sales should go down as they try to create more profit.
You see times like these are a great time for someone to sneak in. I think Hyundai with the Genesis really is perfect. Its a fantastic luxury vehicle without the badge, which is what many people want now. I was really rooting for Infiniti here but they missed the boat.
We will only see consolidation in the future. Saab might be gone. Sadly maybe even Volvo. Lincoln is hanging on.
With the economic climate not changing and consumer confidence in the toilet, I really don't expect much to change at all.
One thing is CPO cars are selling like hotcakes!
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i really think audi is the new star here, and so far i love what they have done. the r8, the a5, the updated a4, now the new a6 and q5. they are attacking the market pretty well so far and we can see it on their positive sales trend. they are so "fresh" to everyone out there, imho that's part of the reason why they are selling well. this translates to potentially short term effect, they need something more than the led DRL and the slick body lines in order to grow further, especially to take on mb and bmw further. one thing i really like about audi is their finance structure. they control their quantity, keep up the rates, and make sure they are profitable. they don't just go after numbers blindly like bmw and mb. i admire them for that, that's the right way to do business in the long term.
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so do u think new A4 is stealing market share from the BMW 3 or from lexus IS?
terrible idea.... you totally missed the idea behind the ES and why they are selling so many of them
02-04-09, 10:14 AM
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I know I have pointed this out before & it looks to have already been said but I do not understand why people keep picking on the GS. Sure it has never cracked the strangle hold of the 5 Series or E Class but it has up until recently sold 3rd best in the class. This year looks like it might turn out to be 4th or 5th but its sales are still very respectable.
02-04-09, 11:03 AM
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There is no other way to put it – 2008 was a terrible year for new car sales. Most manufactures saw double-digit percentage declines, with even the most prestigious brands feeling the squeeze of the slumping economy. But despite the downward trend, BMW and Mercedes-Benz actually saw an uptick in their performance vehicle sales.
During 2008, BMW’s M performance division managed to sell 24,186 vehicles – the second highest tally in the division’s thirty year history. In fact, that’s nearly a 50 percent increase over 2007’s sales figures.
That rather unexpected success can be attributed to the company’s new M3. Available in coupe, sedan and convertible body styles, the M3 accounted for roughly 18,000 of the M division’s sales in 2008.
BMW’s cross-country rival, Mercedes-Benz, also saw a significant jump in the sales of its performance models during 2008. Mercedes’ AMG performance division sold 24,200 vehicles in 2008, marking a 19 percent increase over 2007’s final numbers.
Like BMW’s M brand, one particular model carried the sales torch for AMG – the C 63 AMG. Available as sedan or wagon, the C 63 managed 8,100 sales – which is actually the single year sales record for any AMG model.
However, with January’s sales results officially in, we don’t see either marque achieving the same successes in 2009.
During 2008, BMW’s M performance division managed to sell 24,186 vehicles – the second highest tally in the division’s thirty year history. In fact, that’s nearly a 50 percent increase over 2007’s sales figures.
That rather unexpected success can be attributed to the company’s new M3. Available in coupe, sedan and convertible body styles, the M3 accounted for roughly 18,000 of the M division’s sales in 2008.
BMW’s cross-country rival, Mercedes-Benz, also saw a significant jump in the sales of its performance models during 2008. Mercedes’ AMG performance division sold 24,200 vehicles in 2008, marking a 19 percent increase over 2007’s final numbers.
Like BMW’s M brand, one particular model carried the sales torch for AMG – the C 63 AMG. Available as sedan or wagon, the C 63 managed 8,100 sales – which is actually the single year sales record for any AMG model.
However, with January’s sales results officially in, we don’t see either marque achieving the same successes in 2009.
02-04-09, 11:15 AM
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I dare to disagree.
Lexus ES is going down to 2900. not that impressive number either.both of them are not performing well.
both ES and TL are Lexus and acura's bread and butter.
ES used to sell much more than BMW 5 and Mercede's E class.
and now there is not too much difference here.
seriously, I think ES should get a facelift as soon as possible.
lexus IS targets a differnt market, you can not simply add ES and IS together and compre the number with ACURA TL.
Lexus ES is going down to 2900. not that impressive number either.both of them are not performing well.
both ES and TL are Lexus and acura's bread and butter.
ES used to sell much more than BMW 5 and Mercede's E class.
and now there is not too much difference here.
seriously, I think ES should get a facelift as soon as possible.
lexus IS targets a differnt market, you can not simply add ES and IS together and compre the number with ACURA TL.
I expect it will just get minor tweaks (as in the past) until the next gen comes out (2010 or 2011?).
02-04-09, 12:04 PM
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. In the other hand the LS blew MB and BMW out of the water in January 
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02-04-09, 12:06 PM
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9.6M annual sales rate. Impressive. So much for F not taking bailout money if it stays anywhere near this rate. Cost cutting, new models, and previous credit arrangements won't do it at that rate. And we have had gas back down pretty cheap for a while here so you have to wonder how many sales there are to be gotten with increased EPA mileage numbers?
02-04-09, 12:23 PM
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From a current Infiniti and Acura owner, how Acura and Infiniti are tier 1 worldwide? Infiniti was just introduced in some parts of Europe, Acura does not sell in Europe. Lexus does not sell in the same quantities BWM and MB sell worldwide but it is positioned better than Infiniti and Acura.
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02-04-09, 12:46 PM
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I understand the desire to make the tiers but I agree. Here in the US, Infiniti started with Lexus. And this will probably not earn me many friends, but the original Q45 was more desirable than the original LS IMO. But what Lexus has done since then compared to what Infiniti has done is a whole different story.
02-04-09, 02:15 PM
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