IS-SV

My last 2 cell phones have been Korean, above average batteries made the difference. LOL

JKA.nyc

I am not, you just aren't comprehending what I am writing. Luxury brand begets luxury product, what is so hard to understand?? Hyundai /= Luxury brand, therefore, Genesis /= Luxury vehicle. How else must I say it?

Seriously what are you talking about? Costco ISN'T going to sell a 30k "luxury diamond necklace". You are totally missing the point. How does this analogy make any sense at all???? Are you saying price is the criteria for luxury?

Just trying to explain something to you that you seem to not understand.

So Hyundai wants to sell a "luxury" vehicle but isn't looking to be seen as a luxury brand?? So why go the extra mile and release the Equus here as the Genesis Prestige then??? So by your own logic are you not saying that the Genesis is not a luxury vehicle since Hyundai isn't looking to be seen as a luxury brand?
Or are you saying Hyundai doesn't need to be seen as a luxury brand to release luxury products? Does that make any sense????

Did you just not prove my point that the Genesis is not a luxury vehicle??? Or b/c the Genesis is their halo model that's why it is luxury? What are you trying to say?

Yes but at least it was released under a dedicated luxury nameplate.


Yes MAN, that is what I have been trying to tell you for the past 10000 replies. As shallow as it may seem it's the truth and a fact of life, BRAND is extremely important when it comes to the luxury market. Geez man have I not been saying this??? It's life man EVERYWHERE, not just the US but EVERYWHERE. Like it or not that little nameplate WILL make a difference, to say it doesn't is just being naive. In this same world where brand doesn't matter I'm sure there is peace on earth, no taxes, justice for all etc etc etc. If you know of such a place please tell me I would like to go.

Let me put it as simple as possible-

When it comes to the luxury market BRAND MATTERS no matter the quality of the product.

And please do not bring up some ridiculous comparison like costco selling a 30k necklace, at least think of one that might make sense.

Like I said, luxury is MORE than just a product, it's a concept you just aren't able to grasp for some reason, it's the service, it's the experience and the whole nine etc etc etc.

Like I said before as well, I am fully aware of a luxury brand and product, but you seem to be unable to grasp this concept which I have been trying to explain to you.

What is it you're trying to say? Half your arguments don't make sense the other half are all over the place or contradictory.

Epik151

If the Genesis isn't a game-changer I don't know what is.

YEH

You need to comprehend a little better.

I didn't not say equate "more expensive" = luxury.

You, however, were the one to equate the Genesis' lower price (in the US) to being "cheap."

I was merely pointing out that the Genesis sells for less in the US, (in comparison to China and Korea) since Hyundai is willing to take a hit in profit margins, since the value equation is an important part in garnering sales of a new product (just like what Toyota did w/ the LS - except that Toyota was willing to take a loss at the start).

So you're whole point about the Genesis not being as good merely b/c it is being offered here in the US for less is moot.

Uhh, pretty much all of VWs and Buicks sold in China are built in China.

I brought up VW to show that the Chinese are hardly beholden to the past, and like consumers everywhere, buy what they consider is a good value and a good product, as well as the brand name.

Buick-China made some missteps which is why VW sales surpassed them (and why Buick sales dropped significantly even while Chevy and Cadillac sales went up).

For someone who purportedly lives in China, you have awfully little understanding of the Chinese, particularly, the urban, educated folk who are the ones buying autos (as well as other consumer products).

Yeah, I guess these Chinese consumers don't read reviews on cellphones (or other electronics equipment) and just buy any ol' cellphone - lol.


Uhh, when did I say that?

The point is - Honda is now the no.1 import brand in Korea since it makes good products.

And gee, I wonder how ever Koreans got that info.?

Mind you, you were the one who stated that Koreans didn't have to do research since they just bought domestic. For those who didn't, how did they know that the Accord and CR-V (Honda's best sellers in Korea) are good models?

Anyway, it's not like buying domestic means that one still doesn't have to do due diligence - there are a no. of Korean manufacturers, selling a wide variety of vehicles.


Stop being so disingenuous.

You know full well that you were bringing up the whole "cellphone is not a good webtool" thing to try to support your position that people in Asian countries don't do their due diligence on the web.

Anyway, it's not that more difficult to read stuff from the web on a cell (heck, people in Asia post alot on various websites - aka netizens) and for those whose eyesights aren't as sharp, there is always the more traditional way to get on the web.

More and more people in the US are accessing the web thru their smartphones - does that mean Americans are utilizing less research? lol


I am comprehending what you are trying to say - what you say doesn't make much sense.

Many of your compadres here think along the same lines (as me - just to make that clear).

https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...e-sales-9.html

No - what I'm saying is that brand isn't the sole criteria w/ regard to luxury products.

Once again, luxury product and luxury brand don't always coincide.

Is an A Class Mercedes a luxury vehicle just b/c it's a Mercedes? Of course not. It may belong to a luxury brand, but it, in itself, is not a luxury product.

Was the Toyota Celsior not a luxury product since it was merely a Toyota?

And my point about the diamond necklace is that a diamond necklace of certain quality is still a luxury product whether one buys it at Tiffany's/Cartier or Costco.

OK - you got me, Costco doesn't sell a $30k diamond necklace.

The necklace I had in mind is diamond and sapphire and retails for $35k.

And oh, Costco also has a $60k pearl necklace and an $83k ring.

YEH

So - does that mean Mercedes in much of the rest of the world (including Canada which sells the B Class) is not a luxury make and is only so in the US? lol

Uhh, take a look at some of the older LS grilles - and the LS430 was very reminiscent of the S Class (esp. the roofline/greenhouse/C pillar).

And yeah, the GS grilles w/ vertical slants is really "original".

Of what? The G35.

Does that mean the G35 is a cutout of the Tiburon?

JKA.nyc

You win I can't argue with you anymore. You got me, I had no clue at all that costco sold such expensive jewelery, in my defense I don't go to costco, nor would I check out the jewelery section there if I did. I'm not sure who would actually buy such an expensive piece of jewelery from them, but you're right they actually do carry items that expensive.

As for everything else we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

KA8

iTrader: (1)

Interesting arguments...
I was at costco yesterday and looked at jewelry section. They had 60K diamond necklace.

Hyundai is NOT a luxury brand but Genesis is a luxury car and I wouldn't call it an econobox from Hyundai. You can't compare genesis to say Camry/Accord. Better comparison is with Lexus ES/GS/even LS... just much cheaper than other 'luxury' brands. I don't think any other car has Lexison sound system other than Rolls Royce.