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Old 02-17-09, 03:49 PM
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DETROIT – General Motors Corp., presenting a dire outlook for the future, said Tuesday it may need $30 billion in total government financing to weather the economic downturn and would cut 47,000 jobs worldwide and shutter five more U.S. factories in a massive restructuring plan.

The automaker is already surviving on $13.4 billion in federal loans and said in a plan submitted to the Treasury Department that it would seek an additional $16.6 billion if economic conditions worsen, but it could achieve profitability in two years and fully repay its loans by 2017.

The U.S. automaker presented its turnaround plan to the Obama administration as it worked to win concessions from the United Auto Workers union and bondholders to dramatically resize the company. The UAW said it reached a tentative deal with GM, Chrysler LLC and Ford Motor Co. on contract changes but discussions were still under way about how the companies would fund union-run trust funds that will take over the companies' retiree health care obligations starting next year.

GM said it was making progress but had not yet achieved all the concessions from union workers, debt holders, dealers and suppliers that the Bush administration sough in the loan terms provided last December.

President Barack Obama's administration will review the plans from GM and Chrysler LLC but could pull the loans if they don't approve the turnaround plans by March 31. The review could be extended into April, but if the government demands the money back it would force the companies into bankruptcy.

GM predicted it could run out of money before the March deadline and said it is seeking the additional funding under a worst-case-scenario projection, as U.S. sales have plummeted to a 26-year low and auto sales have fallen in other parts of the world.

In December, GM said it might need a total of $18 billion in government financing but only got a commitment of $13.4 billion, including $4 billion that the automaker received Tuesday.

GM wants to receive an additional $2 billion in March and $2.6 billion in April. The company has a $4.5 billion revolving line of credit that must be refinanced in 2011 but now believes that private funding won't be available, so the automaker is asking the government to lend the money.

If market conditions deteriorate, GM says it may also need an additional $7.5 billion revolving line of credit to stay afloat, for a total potential request of $30 billion.

GM said it reviewed the potential costs of a bankruptcy filing, but said it was a poor option. If GM was forced into Chapter 11 reorganization proceedings, the company said the only credit available would be from the government, and the cost could reach as much as $100 billion.

GM's plan details extensive cuts. The automaker would reduce its U.S. manpower from 92,000 salaried and hourly workers at the end of 2008 to 72,000 employees by the end of 2012. Worldwide, it envisions slashing 47,000 workers, including 37,000 hourly workers and 10,000 salaried employees.

In its Dec. 2 plan to the Bush administration, GM said it would cut the number of plants from 47 in 2008 to 38 by 2012. But the new approach goes further, cutting an additional five plants by 2012 to a total of 33 facilities.

GM's brands would be reduced from eight to four — Chevrolet, Buick, Cadillac and GMC — as the automaker said in December.

The company is considering a sale of the Hummer brand and a decision could be made by the end of March. The Saturn brand could be phased out by the end of 2011. The company is also considering its options for the Pontiac and Saab brands.

GM said all of its major U.S. vehicle launches from 2009 to 2014 would be high-mileage cars and crossovers.
Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090217/..._ge/gm_bailout

Today is the due date for Chrysler LLC and General Motors to submit separate "Viability Plans" to the U.S. Treasury Department that demonstrate the tax payers' $15 billion in low-interest loans has and will be put to good use. Chrysler earns extra credit from teacher for turning its homework in first, as the Auburn Hills, MI-based automaker revealed this afternoon what progress has been made since the loans were granted in December and what will be done in 2009.

All of the info that Chrysler publicly released can be found after the jump, but we'll direct you first to a paragraph that immediately follows Chrysler's gloomy forecast for industry sales through 2012. It contains a request for an extra $2 billion on top of the $4 billion already given and $3 billion yet to be delivered. That would raise Chrysler's debt to the federal government from $7 billion to $9 billion and is based on a projected SAAR (Seasonally Adjusted Annual Rate of auto sales in the U.S.) of at least 10.1 million units.

So how does Chrysler prove to the feds that our money will be well spent? The Viability Plan clues the feds in on a pending strategic alliance with Fiat, which will give Chrysler access to small, fuel-efficient vehicles; new distribution networks in emerging markets; and other cost saving opportunities. Chrysler also notes some major new product that will arrive in 2010 including the redesigned Jeep Grand Cherokee, Dodge Charger, Chrysler 300 and a new unibody Dodge Durango. Add to that a Dodge Ram two-mode hybrid and the automaker's promised electric vehicle, as well.

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Chrysler isn't done restructuring to better align with reduced demand, either. It plans to further reduce its fixed costs by $700 million, reduce one more shift of manufacturing, say good-bye to 3,000 more workers, kill off three more vehicles, reduce production capacity by 100,000 more units and sell off $300 million of non-earning assets.

As for concessions from dealers, suppliers, the UAW and debt holders, Chrysler is somewhat vague on exactly how much progress it's made with each party. What it does say, for instance, in the case of the UAW, is that modifications already made "fundamentally comply with the requirements set forth in the U.S. Treasury Loan."

What does it all add up to? That, we suppose, is for our government to decide. The short story, however, is that industry sales fell sharper than anyone expected in December and January, and Chrysler claims that it will need another $2 billion to survive based on current projections.

Also note that the feds required both Chrysler and GM to include an altternative for bankruptcy in their Viability Plans, just in case. Chrysler did, and also released a letter to its stakeholders saying that the company does not intend to pursue this option. It's a scary thought, as Chrysler estimates it would require $24 billion in debtor-in-possession financing over two years, otherwise its creditors would receive anywhere from 25% to 0% of their investment. You can check out Bob Nardelli's letter to the stakeholders below.
Source: http://www.autoblog.com/2009/02/17/c...n-submitted-t/

ffpower says: Chapter 11 time...
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Old 02-17-09, 03:58 PM
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I'd like to see the government bail them out but only with the agreement that they go into a controlled/supported bankruptcy to shed their union and other ridiculous contractual burdens that make it so impossible for them to compete these days.
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i wonder when and how they'll pay it all back........
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Why the hell is it Ch. 11 time? There was a reason it was called a BRIDGE LOAN in December. My god, reality time!
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Originally Posted by FKL
Why the hell is it Ch. 11 time? There was a reason it was called a BRIDGE LOAN in December. My god, reality time!
Because it should be chapter 11 time back in December.

Let me make myself clear, I don't want the D3 to fail or go out of business but they need some serious restructuring before they can turn competitive and profitable. In my opinion the only way there is by some forms of protected bankruptcy, thus Chapter 11.

The December bridge loan was the bridge to this $16.6B but who can promise that this $16.6B isn't another "bridge" to the next $16.6B?
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Originally Posted by dunnojack
i wonder when and how they'll pay it all back........
Good point. How can they pay it back when GM has had losses since 2005. The last time GM was profitable was 2004 and GM didn't make too much money that time. GM has lost over $70 Billion since 2005...and the Government wants to loan them more money???

This falls under the category of "Things that make you go mmm?"

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Originally Posted by Trexus
Good point. How can they pay it back when GM has had losses since 2005. The last time GM was profitable was 2004 and GM didn't make too much money that time. GM has lost over $70 Billion since 2005...and the Government wants to loan them more money???

This falls under the category of "Things that make you mmm?"
Some very valid points. These problems at the Big 3 have been generated over a decade via poor management. They need to get the concessions firmed up now IMHO.
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didn't we expect all these... let's ask for 1 bil now, then 2 bil tomorrow, and 10 bil the week after...

just when everyone is questioning how banks could blindly loan money to people without enough credit, government is "loaning" (in parenthesis coz' i am not even sure about the "return" part) to companies with next to no recent positive credit. brilliant
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Originally Posted by ffpower
Because it should be chapter 11 time back in December.

Let me make myself clear, I don't want the D3 to fail or go out of business but they need some serious restructuring before they can turn competitive and profitable. In my opinion the only way there is by some forms of protected bankruptcy, thus Chapter 11.

The December bridge loan was the bridge to this $16.6B but who can promise that this $16.6B isn't another "bridge" to the next $16.6B?
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UAW is driving them into the ground...

PLUS.....


$3B in interest payments annually
$35B in unsecured debt
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UAW is like the damn mafia. They will ride your *** into bankruptcy as long as they get their money. I wonder if they will be looking to break the knee caps of the CEO after they go bankrupt.
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Originally Posted by ffpower
The December bridge loan was the bridge to this $16.6B but who can promise that this $16.6B isn't another "bridge" to the next $16.6B?

they should call it the "Bridge to $700billion"

I have a feeling that will be their next request.

Fock our houses and the economy. there's not enough money in the world to save GM.

it's hopeless.
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Originally Posted by bagwell
+1

UAW is driving them into the ground...

PLUS.....


$3B in interest payments annually
$35B in unsecured debt

wow, even they managed to be profitbale in 2012. they might not be able to pay the interest...

UaW sucked too much money. go chapter 11. cut tremendous amount of laber costs ,retiree costs. otherwise, they will keep going down together..

don't those workers and retirees understand they won't be able to get money if the company assets get liquidated.?
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Does ever remind people of playing SimCity?

No money? In the red?

Type in cheatcode for money, dont bother fixing what youre doing wrong.
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Originally Posted by mikez
Does ever remind people of playing SimCity?

No money? In the red?

Type in cheatcode for money, dont bother fixing what youre doing wrong.
haha, good point.
the federal reserve will print money for them.
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GM Spends $17 Million Per Year on Viagra
Holy Grails | November 20th, 2008

Well, I thought I had seen it all:

Lifestyle drugs — chiefly Viagra — are costing General Motors $17 million dollars a year and the cost is passed along to car, truck and SUV consumers. The blue pill is covered under GM’s labor agreement with United Auto Workers, as well as benefit plans for salaried employees. GM executives estimate health care adds $1,500 to the price of each vehicle but they do not break out how much of the premium is caused by erectile dysfunction expenses. GM provides health care for 1.1 million employees, retirees and dependents and is the world’s largest private purchaser of ******** GM recently raised the co-pay for erectile dysfunction drugs to $18 under a new agreement with the UAW and the company has also pared benefits for salaried workers. Given the large number of aging autoworkers in the U.S., the industrys Viagra tab and bill for other erectile dysfunction drugs is certain to continue rising. Neither Ford nor Chrysler will disclose the amount spent on erectile dysfunction drugs.

http://www.michaelcovel.com/2008/11/...ear-on-viagra/
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