BMW M3 vs. Audi RS4 vs. Cadillac CTS-V vs. Lexus IS-F vs. Mercedes C63 AMG
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BMW M3 vs. Audi RS4 vs. Cadillac CTS-V vs. Lexus IS-F vs. Mercedes C63 AMG
BMW M3 vs. Audi RS4 vs. Cadillac CTS-V vs. Lexus IS-F vs. Mercedes C63 AMG
By Mike Solowiow
February 23, 2009
M, RS, V, F, AMG. The alpha alphabet represents five manufacturers’ best efforts to create something unique, exciting and memorable from their more prosaic mainstream motors. The resulting “performance tuned” sports sedans are so powerful, so capable, so versatile, that they’re the ground based equivalent of the all-weather fighter jets that battle for control of the skies. While the shibboleth “there’s no such thing as a bad car” applies here, there are always going to be winners and losers. And it’s our job to sort the wheat from the chaff.
Each car symbolizes the corporate culture that crafted it. Each car possesses a unique personality. And each vehicle has a clear mission profile. BMW’s M3 seeks to defend and extend proven road-going superiority through maximum thrust and maneuverability. Audi’s RS4 sets out to shoot down the BMW. Mercedes’ C63 AMG embarks on a low-level bombing run. Cadillac’s CTS-V simply wants to defend its home airspace. And the Lexus IS-F tries to prove it can create the world’s fastest luxury jet.
I was privileged to drive these cars. Despite the universal G-inspired facial rictus, I walked away liking some of these uber sedans more than others. In the final analysis, my preferences stem as much from my own personality as they do from each car’s aesthetics, ergonomics and driving dynamics. I’m a Type-A aviator that breaks things for a living and abhors mediocrity. Mea culpa. So what follows is Capt. Mike’s ultimate guide to $60K super sedans. Nothing more. Nothing less.
5th Place — Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG
If you think it’s OK to buy a car for its engine, the C63 is a highly defensible choice. The AMG-fettled V8 generates 451 bhp @ 6,800 rpm. Even in this highly-horsed company, that’s an awful lot of thrust. There’s nothing with wrong with the way the mighty Mercedes mill propels pistonheads towards perdition. Equally important, the C63’s sonic signature is the best of our fearsome five. It bellows and roars with the best of them. In fact, it IS the best of them, if unbridled aural sex is your thing.
Did I mention the C63’s deeply contoured Recaro seats, or an automatic transmission that snaps off gearshifts like a high-speed Nikon camera changes frames? Unfortunately, the C63’s interior falls well short of its natural competitors’ cabins. The C63’s plastics are top notch and the switch actions are sublime. But something’s missing. Some sign that the librarian is about to take off her cheap plastic glasses, shake loose her hair and muss yours.
You really lose faith when you steer the car; the C63 AMG doesn’t mask its weight like the others super sedans. The helm precision delivered by every other car in the comparo is notably absent in the C63 AMG. Sure, you can throw this bad boy around. And it’s easy enough to hang the tail out in clouds of tire smoke. But the Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG feels a bit like the world’s fastest, best-handling Mustang.
Theme song: “Deuces Wild” by Link Wray
4th Place — Lexus IS-F
The Lexus IS-F lacks a manual transmission, looks odd and offers less badge appeal than a Trans Am. However, focusing on these elements detracts from the IS-F’s amazing accomplishment: straight out of the box, the Japanese luxury brand’s first F is the fastest AND most comfortable sports sedan money can buy.
All the other cars in this comparison seek that hard edge, that extreme sportiness that proclaims them the King of the ’Ring. The Lexus just sits back quietly and invites you to enjoy a surround-sound journey into the world of 416 hp (@ 6,600 rpm).
Around town, the IS-F’s V8 remains hushed and tranquil. Slam down the pedal, crest 3,000 rpm and the exhaust baffles open. All Heaven breaks loose. Although the Lexus IS-F is every bit as capable in the corners as, gulp, the BMW M3, the smooth ride remains.
In this group, the IS-F is the car you’d choose to drive from say, Atlanta to Providence, RI. But it’s not the car that would whisper in your ear, “Before we park up, there’s this nice little twisty road out by the reservoir . . . .”
Theme song: “Don’t Touch my Hat” by Lyle Lovett
3rd Place — Audi RS4
The Audi RS4 is the oldest car here. Not that you’d wouldn’t not know it from looking at it. The RS4’s creases, gigantic snout and look-at me-bulges are all of a piece, but it’s increasingly difficult to decide what whole the parts are supposed to form. The RS4’s cabin holds the top slot for fit and finish. Sad to say (and see), the RS4’s omnipresent grays lack the Caddy’s joie de vivre and the BMW’s technologie mach frei.
Fire it up, push the RS4’s “S” button and it’s like you’ve poked a dozing tiger with a pointy stick. It’s ferociously pissed and it’s not even awake yet. When Ingolsdtadt’s 420 hp (@ 7,500 rpmm) V8 rouses from its slumber, you’ve got the proverbial tiger by an unwagging tail. And it’s got you by the *****. There may be a harsher riding sports sedans (cough, GT-R, cough), but it’s not in this group.
Yes, the RS4 has genuine steering feel. Yes, you can drive it like a Porsche C4S: just point and shoot. But there’s no excuse for a $60K German luxury carmaker’s sports sedan to offer so little luxury.
Theme song: “Hurts So Good” by Herr John Cougar Mellencamp
2nd Place — BMW M3
The BMW M3 was pipped to the post by the Cadillac CTS-V for one main reason: too much technology. I’m a man whose world is defined by acronyms, who depends on computers to keep me alive. Yet I got lost in the e-gadgetry foisted upon the Bimmer’s 414 hp (@ 8,300 rpm) V8 chassis. iDrive, MDrive, handling nannies, traction nannies and an ECU smart enough to clone dinosaurs on its own—the Bimmer’s brain created a corner carving concert that made it a the consummate sports sedan. But somewhere along the line it lost some it its character.
No question: that spark of genius remains buried deep within the M3’s box of tricks; the spirit of the original E30 M3 struggles to get out. When I stopped fiddling with all the gadgets, set everything to automatic and let loose the dogs of war, I could just about recapture those glory days, glory days, glory days.
Which is a bit like complaining that watching “Battlestar Gallactica” is never as good as it was the first time. The BMW M3 was, is, and most likely will be the most feelsome sports sedan in the world. Those who prefer finesse to raw thrills are free to transpose my top two choices without any debate. Well, from me.
Theme song: I take Beethoven’s fifth.
1st Place — Cadillac CTS-V (Manual)
The other mad machines in this comparo made the sheetmetal leap from mainstream to insanestream via louvers, brake ducts, spoilers, exhaust pipes and more exhaust pipes. The Cadillac CTS-V simply adds some chrome to the aggressive original (v. 2) design and meshes around with the front end. Inside, the Caddy proves once and for all (unfortunately) that General Motors can make a class-leading interior. Taken as a whole, the Cadillac CTS-V comes across as the brash American, fitness-trained by Hollywood’s best, wearing a perfectly tailored who’s-the-[Hugo]-boss suit.
When the pinks are on the line, the ultimate Caddy delivers the goods. At our 60 large price point, the Cadillac CTS-V has 100 bhp worth of extra Bimmer-bashing oomph under the bonnet. The 556 hp (@ 6,100 rpm) rip out of the back wheels, while the engine snarls with enough ferocity to send the Germans to the local tuning shop for some fortifying kaffe und kuchen.
But it doesn’t stop there and neither do you. The CTS-V’s gearbox (automatic or manual), suspension and brakes may lack the M3’s delicacy of touch, but they work with equal harmony and precision. This is one of those rare cars that creates confidence even as it unleashes accelerative and lateral mayhem.
Theme song: anything by Stevie Ray Vaughan.
Source: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bmw...cedes-c63-amg/
By Mike Solowiow
February 23, 2009
M, RS, V, F, AMG. The alpha alphabet represents five manufacturers’ best efforts to create something unique, exciting and memorable from their more prosaic mainstream motors. The resulting “performance tuned” sports sedans are so powerful, so capable, so versatile, that they’re the ground based equivalent of the all-weather fighter jets that battle for control of the skies. While the shibboleth “there’s no such thing as a bad car” applies here, there are always going to be winners and losers. And it’s our job to sort the wheat from the chaff.
Each car symbolizes the corporate culture that crafted it. Each car possesses a unique personality. And each vehicle has a clear mission profile. BMW’s M3 seeks to defend and extend proven road-going superiority through maximum thrust and maneuverability. Audi’s RS4 sets out to shoot down the BMW. Mercedes’ C63 AMG embarks on a low-level bombing run. Cadillac’s CTS-V simply wants to defend its home airspace. And the Lexus IS-F tries to prove it can create the world’s fastest luxury jet.
I was privileged to drive these cars. Despite the universal G-inspired facial rictus, I walked away liking some of these uber sedans more than others. In the final analysis, my preferences stem as much from my own personality as they do from each car’s aesthetics, ergonomics and driving dynamics. I’m a Type-A aviator that breaks things for a living and abhors mediocrity. Mea culpa. So what follows is Capt. Mike’s ultimate guide to $60K super sedans. Nothing more. Nothing less.
5th Place — Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG
If you think it’s OK to buy a car for its engine, the C63 is a highly defensible choice. The AMG-fettled V8 generates 451 bhp @ 6,800 rpm. Even in this highly-horsed company, that’s an awful lot of thrust. There’s nothing with wrong with the way the mighty Mercedes mill propels pistonheads towards perdition. Equally important, the C63’s sonic signature is the best of our fearsome five. It bellows and roars with the best of them. In fact, it IS the best of them, if unbridled aural sex is your thing.
Did I mention the C63’s deeply contoured Recaro seats, or an automatic transmission that snaps off gearshifts like a high-speed Nikon camera changes frames? Unfortunately, the C63’s interior falls well short of its natural competitors’ cabins. The C63’s plastics are top notch and the switch actions are sublime. But something’s missing. Some sign that the librarian is about to take off her cheap plastic glasses, shake loose her hair and muss yours.
You really lose faith when you steer the car; the C63 AMG doesn’t mask its weight like the others super sedans. The helm precision delivered by every other car in the comparo is notably absent in the C63 AMG. Sure, you can throw this bad boy around. And it’s easy enough to hang the tail out in clouds of tire smoke. But the Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG feels a bit like the world’s fastest, best-handling Mustang.
Theme song: “Deuces Wild” by Link Wray
4th Place — Lexus IS-F
The Lexus IS-F lacks a manual transmission, looks odd and offers less badge appeal than a Trans Am. However, focusing on these elements detracts from the IS-F’s amazing accomplishment: straight out of the box, the Japanese luxury brand’s first F is the fastest AND most comfortable sports sedan money can buy.
All the other cars in this comparison seek that hard edge, that extreme sportiness that proclaims them the King of the ’Ring. The Lexus just sits back quietly and invites you to enjoy a surround-sound journey into the world of 416 hp (@ 6,600 rpm).
Around town, the IS-F’s V8 remains hushed and tranquil. Slam down the pedal, crest 3,000 rpm and the exhaust baffles open. All Heaven breaks loose. Although the Lexus IS-F is every bit as capable in the corners as, gulp, the BMW M3, the smooth ride remains.
In this group, the IS-F is the car you’d choose to drive from say, Atlanta to Providence, RI. But it’s not the car that would whisper in your ear, “Before we park up, there’s this nice little twisty road out by the reservoir . . . .”
Theme song: “Don’t Touch my Hat” by Lyle Lovett
3rd Place — Audi RS4
The Audi RS4 is the oldest car here. Not that you’d wouldn’t not know it from looking at it. The RS4’s creases, gigantic snout and look-at me-bulges are all of a piece, but it’s increasingly difficult to decide what whole the parts are supposed to form. The RS4’s cabin holds the top slot for fit and finish. Sad to say (and see), the RS4’s omnipresent grays lack the Caddy’s joie de vivre and the BMW’s technologie mach frei.
Fire it up, push the RS4’s “S” button and it’s like you’ve poked a dozing tiger with a pointy stick. It’s ferociously pissed and it’s not even awake yet. When Ingolsdtadt’s 420 hp (@ 7,500 rpmm) V8 rouses from its slumber, you’ve got the proverbial tiger by an unwagging tail. And it’s got you by the *****. There may be a harsher riding sports sedans (cough, GT-R, cough), but it’s not in this group.
Yes, the RS4 has genuine steering feel. Yes, you can drive it like a Porsche C4S: just point and shoot. But there’s no excuse for a $60K German luxury carmaker’s sports sedan to offer so little luxury.
Theme song: “Hurts So Good” by Herr John Cougar Mellencamp
2nd Place — BMW M3
The BMW M3 was pipped to the post by the Cadillac CTS-V for one main reason: too much technology. I’m a man whose world is defined by acronyms, who depends on computers to keep me alive. Yet I got lost in the e-gadgetry foisted upon the Bimmer’s 414 hp (@ 8,300 rpm) V8 chassis. iDrive, MDrive, handling nannies, traction nannies and an ECU smart enough to clone dinosaurs on its own—the Bimmer’s brain created a corner carving concert that made it a the consummate sports sedan. But somewhere along the line it lost some it its character.
No question: that spark of genius remains buried deep within the M3’s box of tricks; the spirit of the original E30 M3 struggles to get out. When I stopped fiddling with all the gadgets, set everything to automatic and let loose the dogs of war, I could just about recapture those glory days, glory days, glory days.
Which is a bit like complaining that watching “Battlestar Gallactica” is never as good as it was the first time. The BMW M3 was, is, and most likely will be the most feelsome sports sedan in the world. Those who prefer finesse to raw thrills are free to transpose my top two choices without any debate. Well, from me.
Theme song: I take Beethoven’s fifth.
1st Place — Cadillac CTS-V (Manual)
The other mad machines in this comparo made the sheetmetal leap from mainstream to insanestream via louvers, brake ducts, spoilers, exhaust pipes and more exhaust pipes. The Cadillac CTS-V simply adds some chrome to the aggressive original (v. 2) design and meshes around with the front end. Inside, the Caddy proves once and for all (unfortunately) that General Motors can make a class-leading interior. Taken as a whole, the Cadillac CTS-V comes across as the brash American, fitness-trained by Hollywood’s best, wearing a perfectly tailored who’s-the-[Hugo]-boss suit.
When the pinks are on the line, the ultimate Caddy delivers the goods. At our 60 large price point, the Cadillac CTS-V has 100 bhp worth of extra Bimmer-bashing oomph under the bonnet. The 556 hp (@ 6,100 rpm) rip out of the back wheels, while the engine snarls with enough ferocity to send the Germans to the local tuning shop for some fortifying kaffe und kuchen.
But it doesn’t stop there and neither do you. The CTS-V’s gearbox (automatic or manual), suspension and brakes may lack the M3’s delicacy of touch, but they work with equal harmony and precision. This is one of those rare cars that creates confidence even as it unleashes accelerative and lateral mayhem.
Theme song: anything by Stevie Ray Vaughan.
Source: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bmw...cedes-c63-amg/
02-24-09, 04:46 AM
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NJot a really fair comparison. shouldnt the CTS-V be compared to the M5 RS6 ?
I should do a shoot out comparing my IS300 to a 2 banger accord and altima coupes.
"...Not only does the Lexus get the 1 spot for the handling and accord/altima bashing oomph under the bonnet but it doesnt stop there, it has the extra cabin space that are not available on the other two"
wooohooo
I should do a shoot out comparing my IS300 to a 2 banger accord and altima coupes.
"...Not only does the Lexus get the 1 spot for the handling and accord/altima bashing oomph under the bonnet but it doesnt stop there, it has the extra cabin space that are not available on the other two"
wooohooo
02-24-09, 06:26 AM
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RS4 for $60K??? I don't think so...
Gotta love TTAC... no middle ground... and I will agree with the write-up except... CTS-V has NO TRACTION anytime you hit it unless you're Jimmy Johnson, torque literally tears the tires loose....
Gotta love TTAC... no middle ground... and I will agree with the write-up except... CTS-V has NO TRACTION anytime you hit it unless you're Jimmy Johnson, torque literally tears the tires loose....
02-24-09, 07:47 AM
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They don't make teh RS4 anymore do they? And no, its not 60k, its 80k. WTF?
For the money I just don't see how the CTS-V can be matched. On top of 100 plus more HP, the interior is arguebly the best, it offers the most space and will be the most rare. GM really did it with that car.
For the money I just don't see how the CTS-V can be matched. On top of 100 plus more HP, the interior is arguebly the best, it offers the most space and will be the most rare. GM really did it with that car.
02-24-09, 08:50 AM
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They don't make teh RS4 anymore do they? And no, its not 60k, its 80k. WTF?
For the money I just don't see how the CTS-V can be matched. On top of 100 plus more HP, the interior is arguebly the best, it offers the most space and will be the most rare. GM really did it with that car.
For the money I just don't see how the CTS-V can be matched. On top of 100 plus more HP, the interior is arguebly the best, it offers the most space and will be the most rare. GM really did it with that car.
Most of the C63 reviews that I have read indicate that it's a pretty competent handler...hardly a mustang with twice the horsepower.
IS F smooth? Since when? That's the first that I have ever heard of the IS F being a luxo cruiser in any regard.
RS4 probably should not have been included, and like members have mentioned, pricing information is wrong.
Still, for the money, can't beat the CTS V
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02-24-09, 09:36 AM
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They don't make teh RS4 anymore do they? And no, its not 60k, its 80k. WTF?
For the money I just don't see how the CTS-V can be matched. On top of 100 plus more HP, the interior is arguebly the best, it offers the most space and will be the most rare. GM really did it with that car.
For the money I just don't see how the CTS-V can be matched. On top of 100 plus more HP, the interior is arguebly the best, it offers the most space and will be the most rare. GM really did it with that car.
very sad, as the CTS-V is awesome.
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02-24-09, 03:42 PM
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That's great the IS-F came in 4th. Lexus has done a great job entering the entry level high performance category. Infiniti and Acura don't have anything in this category...
02-24-09, 04:05 PM
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Ok, I agree the CTS-V should win, it is after all the greatest cadillac ever and a great value. So if I needed a car for a fun drive, I would pick the CTS-V, but if I had to pick a car and keep it long term, I would pick the IS-F. I also get a kick out of the quote, '"offers less badge appeal than a Trans Am" , This is silly, the IS-F gets respect wherever it goes, and you can park next to exotic cars, and it fits right in.
02-24-09, 04:45 PM
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This comparo is inane to say the least. The RS4 is discontinued and as mentioned previously by my fellow members who also speak reality, is in a different price range as is the CTS-V which was built specifically (according to GM) to dethrone the M5....and is not even close to being in the same class as the others. The CTS-V has a "de-tuned" ZR-1 motor for crying outloud........fail, too many liters!
So with that being said, the M3 (gasp) is ranked one, IS-F two and the AMG Mustang third.....and so we have yet another incredulous and biased review that will send the BMW fanboys back to their E90 forums boasting about how great their cars are and how the IS-F looks like a bloated whale with retarded exhaust tips and a transmission with an inordinate amount of gears!
please shoot me!
So with that being said, the M3 (gasp) is ranked one, IS-F two and the AMG Mustang third.....and so we have yet another incredulous and biased review that will send the BMW fanboys back to their E90 forums boasting about how great their cars are and how the IS-F looks like a bloated whale with retarded exhaust tips and a transmission with an inordinate amount of gears!
please shoot me!
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02-24-09, 10:58 PM
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I agree with you. The CTS-V and Corvette are nice but out of the price range for many people. The Volt will lose money initially so those three cars aren't going to save GM.
That's great the IS-F came in 4th. Lexus has done a great job entering the entry level high performance category. Infiniti and Acura don't have anything in this category...
That's great the IS-F came in 4th. Lexus has done a great job entering the entry level high performance category. Infiniti and Acura don't have anything in this category...
This comparo is inane to say the least. The RS4 is discontinued and as mentioned previously by my fellow members who also speak reality, is in a different price range as is the CTS-V which was built specifically (according to GM) to dethrone the M5....and is not even close to being in the same class as the others. The CTS-V has a "de-tuned" ZR-1 motor for crying outloud........fail, too many liters!
So with that being said, the M3 (gasp) is ranked one, IS-F two and the AMG Mustang third.....and so we have yet another incredulous and biased review that will send the BMW fanboys back to their E90 forums boasting about how great their cars are and how the IS-F looks like a bloated whale with retarded exhaust tips and a transmission with an inordinate amount of gears!
please shoot me!
So with that being said, the M3 (gasp) is ranked one, IS-F two and the AMG Mustang third.....and so we have yet another incredulous and biased review that will send the BMW fanboys back to their E90 forums boasting about how great their cars are and how the IS-F looks like a bloated whale with retarded exhaust tips and a transmission with an inordinate amount of gears!
please shoot me!
. I find the criticism from the Bimmer forums on the "bloated whale" hood to be completely laughable. We've been vehicle shopping lately and I've been trying to convince the wife that we need a second super sedan. So we stopped by the local BMW dealership to check out the M3 sedan. I'm not sure how they figure that the bulge on their hood, which I can only describe as your worst high school pimple, is any better. At least with the F you don't actually notice any change in shape from the inside, but with the M3 how can you look past the odd middle bulge?
Don't get me wrong, I know it's a great car....I like it and respect it, but there is a great deal of hypocrisy when it comes to criticisms of the F.
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This comparo is inane to say the least. The RS4 is discontinued and as mentioned previously by my fellow members who also speak reality, is in a different price range as is the CTS-V which was built specifically (according to GM) to dethrone the M5....and is not even close to being in the same class as the others. The CTS-V has a "de-tuned" ZR-1 motor for crying outloud........fail, too many liters!
So with that being said, the M3 (gasp) is ranked one, IS-F two and the AMG Mustang third.....and so we have yet another incredulous and biased review that will send the BMW fanboys back to their E90 forums boasting about how great their cars are and how the IS-F looks like a bloated whale with retarded exhaust tips and a transmission with an inordinate amount of gears!
please shoot me!
So with that being said, the M3 (gasp) is ranked one, IS-F two and the AMG Mustang third.....and so we have yet another incredulous and biased review that will send the BMW fanboys back to their E90 forums boasting about how great their cars are and how the IS-F looks like a bloated whale with retarded exhaust tips and a transmission with an inordinate amount of gears!
please shoot me!
The CTS-V is actually the best bang for the buck out of this comparo. I could currently purchase a base model Caddy for $2K less than I paid for my F (list prices not current market value).
Not to beat a dead horse...but I will anyways. I find the criticism from the Bimmer forums on the "bloated whale" hood to be completely laughable. We've been vehicle shopping lately and I've been trying to convince the wife that we need a second super sedan. So we stopped by the local BMW dealership to check out the M3 sedan. I'm not sure how they figure that the bulge on their hood, which I can only describe as your worst high school pimple, is any better.
At least with the F you don't actually notice any change in shape from the inside, but with the M3 how can you look past the odd middle bulge?
Don't get me wrong, I know it's a great car....I like it and respect it, but there is a great deal of hypocrisy when it comes to criticisms of the F.
Not to beat a dead horse...but I will anyways
. I find the criticism from the Bimmer forums on the "bloated whale" hood to be completely laughable. We've been vehicle shopping lately and I've been trying to convince the wife that we need a second super sedan. So we stopped by the local BMW dealership to check out the M3 sedan. I'm not sure how they figure that the bulge on their hood, which I can only describe as your worst high school pimple, is any better. At least with the F you don't actually notice any change in shape from the inside, but with the M3 how can you look past the odd middle bulge?
Don't get me wrong, I know it's a great car....I like it and respect it, but there is a great deal of hypocrisy when it comes to criticisms of the F.
CDN- you've got roads like we do here, drive the CTS-V, see if the road cracks/bounces break it loose, if not, it's your second super sedan!! Here, they have a Metallic Gray for $59,900.00!!!! But as I mentioned previously, the GM and Serv Man said they have seen two cars back in for electrical issues, and the car on broken asphalt wants to tear loose under throttle (DESPERATELY needs AWD)... I suggested new rubber, and this is being considered (similar to the Z06) as possible assist (not solution though) in our area.
Let me know what you think after the drive!!!
