dunnojack

yeah right.

a slightly revised front bumper and a wing tipped grille trim.
headlights will remain the same.

revised tail lights.

that's it.

speedflex

I don't think the next ES will bow until the Camry gets a total redesign.

LexBob2

I agree, that's probably what will happen if they keep it Camry based.

kpmg2007

I think ES sales has been stolen from a couple of new models including Hyundai's genesis, VW cc, Maxima, buick, TL. (A few year back, we don;t have gennesis and VW cc)

RX sales has also been stolen from two completely new models, GLK and Q5.(although the size is different, technically, RX is in the mid-size SUV segment).

kpmg2007

what's a wing tupped grill?

-J-P-L-

Wow, Hyundai and Kia aren't feeling any effect from this auto sales collapse.

Hyundai only down 5%, and Kia up 1% from last year? Remarkable considering everyone else is down 30-50+%.

Edit: Just noticed Subaru also managed a slight increase over last year as well. Impressive.

kpmg2007

have u noticed that Hyundai/kia will soon pass Nissan as the big three asia brands?
Genesis is doing quite well.

ffpowerLN

iTrader: (1)

I agree that Lexus is in a world of hurt right now but is BMW really way more expensive?

(all starting price)

IS: $31,155
3-series: $33,600

ES: $34,320

1-series: $29,400

GS: $44,850
5-series: $45,800

LS: $63,675
7-series: $80,300

SC: $66,805
6-series $78,200

RX: $36,800
GX: $47,615
LX: $75,705

X3: $39,700
X5: $47,500
X6: $55,900

Let's also not forget the famous BMW lease deals: http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...aseOffers.aspx

Lexus website doesn't have any lease deals right now...

joe80

i think it's inevitable. i think hyundai by itself will pass nissan whenever they add more cars to their line up.

kpmg2007

Can someone help post GM's breakdown sale numbers?

I can't find it online..

thank you.

edited: I found it. put it here to make this post completed.


http://media.gm.com/servlet/GatewayS...74&docid=53412

GS69

You can find it here.

dunnojack

Starting price doesn't mean anything.
it's almost impossible to find a bmw at base price.

option for option, similarly equipped, bmw is always way more expensive.

and $530/mo for a 3 series lease? you call that a lease offer?
that's expensive, way more than infiniti, and it's still kicking lexus' *** to mars

SLegacy99

Merceds too.

My parents spent less on a 400h than they would have on a 3.0L X5. I think that says something.

kpmg2007

that's called overpriced.
But some badge persons buy this "overprice" image.....

joe80

bmw is about 5-6 grand more expensive when it's similarly equipped.