2010 subaru legacy. Bmw wants its rear end back...
04-08-09, 02:08 PM
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The cheap-ification of interiors is a very disturbing trend in recent years and it seems like no manufacturer is immune- Toyota, Honda, Mazda, Subaru and others. Some of the American companies have made strides but still lag behind the competition in certain instances.
The single thing I love most about my GS is how rock solid and high quality the interior is, and that's probably a large part of why I will be keeping it for a loooong time to come.
All in all, it's sad to hear that Subaru ruined the Legacy- it was one of the best midsize sedans IMO.
The single thing I love most about my GS is how rock solid and high quality the interior is, and that's probably a large part of why I will be keeping it for a loooong time to come.
All in all, it's sad to hear that Subaru ruined the Legacy- it was one of the best midsize sedans IMO.
04-08-09, 02:20 PM
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http://www.autoblog.com/2009/04/08/n...-all-grown-up/
There are more pics from Autoblog. I got the description from Pathfin9 over @ LegacyGT.com so I don't have any experience with the new model unfortunately. I look forward to your review though
There are more pics from Autoblog. I got the description from Pathfin9 over @ LegacyGT.com so I don't have any experience with the new model unfortunately. I look forward to your review though
, that showed me a lot of what I wanted to see inside. It's hard to tell, though, whether that is a voltmeter or turbo-boost gauge, with the +/- markings. I'm DEFINITELY looking forward to a review when possible. I will review it ASAP, even without any formal CL requests. Since the Legacy/Outback has been my personal favorite car in the under-35K category (though the new AWD Toyota Venza comes close), I have an enormous amount of interest in how Subaru does the new one, and if I move up to a new one myself.
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04-08-09, 02:24 PM
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Agree with everything you said. Interiors have been steadily decreased to almost obscene levels, especially Honda and Toyota. The days of the quality of the 97-02 Camry or 03-07 Accord are over. The new products may have more features, have a more modern design, but the materials are cheap and flibsy.
04-08-09, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by FKL
Agree with everything you said. Interiors have been steadily decreased to almost obscene levels, especially Honda and Toyota. The days of the quality of the 97-02 Camry or 03-07 Accord are over. The new products may have more features, have a more modern design, but the materials are cheap and flimsy.-
Assembly precision has continues to be high on both cars, but the quality of the interiors has, as you indicate, fallen off sharply. The Accord, though, to this day, has kept its slick-operating buttons/controls, while the Camry has cheapened its rotary ***** considerably.
04-08-09, 02:35 PM
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I'll agree too. While I like the cold-weather features my Outback has like heated seats, MPG indicator, thermometer, and heated lower windshield-wiper de-icers, in general, I'd take quality over features, too. Many of today's cars are especially overloaded with hard-to-use electronic digital crap and I-Drive controllers.
04-08-09, 02:36 PM
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04-08-09, 07:11 PM
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wow thats just rubbish
what happened to originality in design? i guess cost cutting has sent that out the window...
the new subarus look terrible...i much perfer the current legacy
what happened to originality in design? i guess cost cutting has sent that out the window...
the new subarus look terrible...i much perfer the current legacy
04-09-09, 09:51 AM
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And here is the new Outback. I think it looks better than the Legacy, but it looks kinda big.
http://www.automobilemag.com/new_and...ack/index.html
http://www.automobilemag.com/new_and...ack/index.html
04-09-09, 11:47 AM
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Thanks once again, Allen K. It looks pretty good except for the quirky headlights. The rear end looks better than the present generation. Now that the six runs on regular, I may seriously consider it....the Outback is a little underpowered with the non-turbo 4, and the new 4 comes only with the CVT, which I don't care for.
I still don't like an all-plastic dash or the apparant lack of a temp gauge, but, hey, you can't have everything, and it does have some new features I like. The stereo, for example, seems to finally have a tuning **** instead of a rocker-switch.
I still don't like an all-plastic dash or the apparant lack of a temp gauge, but, hey, you can't have everything, and it does have some new features I like. The stereo, for example, seems to finally have a tuning **** instead of a rocker-switch.
04-09-09, 05:32 PM
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Yes, I know. Sorry I wasn't clear. The CVT is the only automatic for the base-4. And a manual is pretty much out of the question for the traffic-choked D.C area.
Why Subaru didn't replace the old 4-speed automatic in the base 2.5i with a 5-speed auto beats me. CVT's, while admittedly efficient, often just don't cut it for either drivability or durablity.
Why Subaru didn't replace the old 4-speed automatic in the base 2.5i with a 5-speed auto beats me. CVT's, while admittedly efficient, often just don't cut it for either drivability or durablity.
04-30-09, 05:13 PM
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PRESS RELEASE:
SUBARU ANNOUNCES PRICING ON ALL-NEW 2010 LEGACY
§ Pricing starts at $19,995
§ Roomiest Legacy Ever with New Levels of Comfort, Quietness and Refinement
§ New 6-speed Manual and CVT Transmissions for Legacy 2.5i Models
§ 2.5GT Improves to 265-hp Turbo Engine and a New 6-Speed Manual Transmission
§ New Legacy 3.6R Model Features More Powerful 6-Cylinder Engine
Cherry Hill, N.J., April 29, 2009 – Subaru of America, Inc. today announced pricing for the all-new 2010 Legacy® sedan. Pricing will start at $19,995 – $800 lower than the previous generation Legacy sedan – which set a sales record in 2008.
The new Subaru Legacy provides for a bolder design language in a larger midsize package. The 2010 Legacy, whose predecessor is renowned for its sporty handling and reliability, now has a longer wheelbase, four inches of extra rear seat legroom and a new powertrain lineup featuring the new Subaru Lineartronic™ CVT (Continuously Variable Transmission). All Legacy models now feature an all-new front McPherson strut, rear double-wishbone suspension with front and rear stabilizer bars for improved ride & handling. Additionally, all Legacy models are upgraded with a much larger 18.5 gallon fuel tank for better operating range.
As with all Subaru vehicles, Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive is standard, which helps driving performance by enhancing traction regardless of weather conditions.
Model Pricing Highlights:
The 2.5i is equipped with a either the 6-speed manual transmission with a starting price of $19,995 or the all-new Lineartronic CVT as an option with a starting price of $20,995.
This base model comes complete with 4-wheel disc brakes, quick-ratio power steering, tilt and telescope steering column, 8 cup holders, 60/40 split-folding rear seatbacks, electronic parking brake with Hill Holder® system, auto on/off exterior lights (autolights), AM/FM Stereo with single-disc CD player, auxiliary input jack and 4 speakers, dual lit visor mirrors, variable intermittent wipers, overhead console with sunglasses holder and remote keyless entry system.
There are a number of options available for the 2010 Legacy. (Availability varies by trim level):
* Power moonroof at $995
* All-Weather Package at $500 which includes: heated front seats, windshield wiper de-icer and heated exterior mirrors
* harman/kardon® audio system for $995 which includes: AM/FM 6 CD, 440 Watt harman/kardon amplifier, 9 harman/kardon speakers, hands-free Bluetooth® phone capability
* Navigation system for $2,000 which includes: AM/FM/CD/DVD, GPS navigation system 8" LCD touch-screen, 440 watt harman/kardon amplifier, 9 harman/kardon speakers, hands-free Bluetooth phone and audio, USB port with iPod™ control and backup camera
The 2.5i Premium comes with either a 6-speed manual transmission or the option of the all-new Lineartronic CVT and will have a starting price of $20,995 (2.5i Premium with Lineartronic CVT starts at $21,995.) Standard equipment includes all 2.5i model features (where applicable) plus 10-way power driver's seat, driver's side window w/automatic up and down, leather-wrapped steering wheel, instrument storage bin w/door, overhead console with sunglass holder and ambient light, bright exhaust tip, body-colored mirrors and 16" Alloy Wheels . Options include: All-Weather Package, harman/kardon audio system, power moonroof and navigation system (navigation system requires power moonroof option).
The 2.5i Limited comes equipped with the new Lineartronic CVT and will have a starting price of $24,995. The 2.5i Limited includes all 2.5i Premium model features (where applicable) plus paddle shifters and a 6-speed manual shift mode, P215/50 R17 all-season tires, 17" Alloy Wheels, perforated ivory / off black leather-trimmed upholstery, 4-way power front passenger seat, All-Weather Package and harman/kardon audio system. Options include: power moonroof and navigation system (navigation system requires power moonroof option).
The 2010 Legacy 2.5GT Premium and Limited are powered by a 265-hp turbocharged / intercooled Boxer engine and mated with a new 6-speed manual transmission. The engine features a unique turbocharger configuration that is mounted below the engine. This new location contributes to 30 percent quicker turbocharger response. Designed for the discerning enthusiast, the Legacy 2.5GT models are equipped to challenge some of the best names in the sport sedan field.
The 2.5GT Premium will have a starting price of $27,995 and includes all 2.5i Premium model features (where applicable) plus hood scoop, P225/45 R18 summer tires, 18" Alloy Wheels, dual chrome exhaust tips and All-Weather Package. Options include: harman/kardon audio system and power moonroof.
The 2.5GT Limited will have a starting price of $29,995 and includes all 2.5GT Premium model features (where applicable) plus perforated ivory / off black leather-trimmed upholstery, 4-way power front passenger seat, and harman/kardon audio system. Options include: power moonroof and navigation system (navigation system requires power moonroof option).
The all-new Legacy 3.6R, which replaces the 3.0R model – is smoother and more refined, with more torque and power. The 3.6R is powered by a 256-hp 3.6-liter 6-cylinder Boxer engine matched to a 5-speed electronic automatic transmission. Compared to the 3.0-liter 6-cylinder engine it replaces, the more powerful 3.6R has similar external size and uses regular-grade fuel, rather than premium as the 3.0L 6-cylinder recommended to achieve its rated power.
The Legacy 3.6R will have a starting price of $24,995 (a $1,600 reduction over the outgoing 3.0R) and includes all 2.5i model features (where applicable) plus P225/50 R17 all-season tires, 17" Alloy Wheels, paddle shifters, driver's side window w/automatic up and down, instrument storage bin w/door, overhead console with sunglass holder and ambient light, and dual chrome exhaust tips.
The 3.6R Premium will have a starting price of $25,995 and includes all 3.6R model features (where applicable) plus a 10-way power driver's seat, leather-wrapped steering wheel and All-Weather Package. Options include: harman/kardon audio system and power moonroof.
The 3.6R Limited will have a starting price of $27,995 and includes all 3.6R Premium model features plus perforated ivory / off black leather-trimmed upholstery, 4-Way power front passenger seat, and harman/kardon audio system. Options include: power moonroof and navigation system (navigation system requires power moonroof option).
Accessory items for all 2010 Legacy models include 16" Alloy Wheels, fog lights, a Blueconnect Bluetooth hands-free phone device, iPod auxiliary connector, puddle lights, cargo tray and trunk lid spoiler. A complete list of accessories will be available soon on www.subaru.com.
Destination and Delivery charge is $695 for all 2010MY Legacy and Outback models in the Contiguous 48 States. The MSRP of PZEV (Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle) models is $300 more than the federal specification model. For more information about the 2010 Subaru Legacy, visit www.media.subaru.com
SUBARU ANNOUNCES PRICING ON ALL-NEW 2010 LEGACY
§ Pricing starts at $19,995
§ Roomiest Legacy Ever with New Levels of Comfort, Quietness and Refinement
§ New 6-speed Manual and CVT Transmissions for Legacy 2.5i Models
§ 2.5GT Improves to 265-hp Turbo Engine and a New 6-Speed Manual Transmission
§ New Legacy 3.6R Model Features More Powerful 6-Cylinder Engine
Cherry Hill, N.J., April 29, 2009 – Subaru of America, Inc. today announced pricing for the all-new 2010 Legacy® sedan. Pricing will start at $19,995 – $800 lower than the previous generation Legacy sedan – which set a sales record in 2008.
The new Subaru Legacy provides for a bolder design language in a larger midsize package. The 2010 Legacy, whose predecessor is renowned for its sporty handling and reliability, now has a longer wheelbase, four inches of extra rear seat legroom and a new powertrain lineup featuring the new Subaru Lineartronic™ CVT (Continuously Variable Transmission). All Legacy models now feature an all-new front McPherson strut, rear double-wishbone suspension with front and rear stabilizer bars for improved ride & handling. Additionally, all Legacy models are upgraded with a much larger 18.5 gallon fuel tank for better operating range.
As with all Subaru vehicles, Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive is standard, which helps driving performance by enhancing traction regardless of weather conditions.
Model Pricing Highlights:
The 2.5i is equipped with a either the 6-speed manual transmission with a starting price of $19,995 or the all-new Lineartronic CVT as an option with a starting price of $20,995.
This base model comes complete with 4-wheel disc brakes, quick-ratio power steering, tilt and telescope steering column, 8 cup holders, 60/40 split-folding rear seatbacks, electronic parking brake with Hill Holder® system, auto on/off exterior lights (autolights), AM/FM Stereo with single-disc CD player, auxiliary input jack and 4 speakers, dual lit visor mirrors, variable intermittent wipers, overhead console with sunglasses holder and remote keyless entry system.
There are a number of options available for the 2010 Legacy. (Availability varies by trim level):
* Power moonroof at $995
* All-Weather Package at $500 which includes: heated front seats, windshield wiper de-icer and heated exterior mirrors
* harman/kardon® audio system for $995 which includes: AM/FM 6 CD, 440 Watt harman/kardon amplifier, 9 harman/kardon speakers, hands-free Bluetooth® phone capability
* Navigation system for $2,000 which includes: AM/FM/CD/DVD, GPS navigation system 8" LCD touch-screen, 440 watt harman/kardon amplifier, 9 harman/kardon speakers, hands-free Bluetooth phone and audio, USB port with iPod™ control and backup camera
The 2.5i Premium comes with either a 6-speed manual transmission or the option of the all-new Lineartronic CVT and will have a starting price of $20,995 (2.5i Premium with Lineartronic CVT starts at $21,995.) Standard equipment includes all 2.5i model features (where applicable) plus 10-way power driver's seat, driver's side window w/automatic up and down, leather-wrapped steering wheel, instrument storage bin w/door, overhead console with sunglass holder and ambient light, bright exhaust tip, body-colored mirrors and 16" Alloy Wheels . Options include: All-Weather Package, harman/kardon audio system, power moonroof and navigation system (navigation system requires power moonroof option).
The 2.5i Limited comes equipped with the new Lineartronic CVT and will have a starting price of $24,995. The 2.5i Limited includes all 2.5i Premium model features (where applicable) plus paddle shifters and a 6-speed manual shift mode, P215/50 R17 all-season tires, 17" Alloy Wheels, perforated ivory / off black leather-trimmed upholstery, 4-way power front passenger seat, All-Weather Package and harman/kardon audio system. Options include: power moonroof and navigation system (navigation system requires power moonroof option).
The 2010 Legacy 2.5GT Premium and Limited are powered by a 265-hp turbocharged / intercooled Boxer engine and mated with a new 6-speed manual transmission. The engine features a unique turbocharger configuration that is mounted below the engine. This new location contributes to 30 percent quicker turbocharger response. Designed for the discerning enthusiast, the Legacy 2.5GT models are equipped to challenge some of the best names in the sport sedan field.
The 2.5GT Premium will have a starting price of $27,995 and includes all 2.5i Premium model features (where applicable) plus hood scoop, P225/45 R18 summer tires, 18" Alloy Wheels, dual chrome exhaust tips and All-Weather Package. Options include: harman/kardon audio system and power moonroof.
The 2.5GT Limited will have a starting price of $29,995 and includes all 2.5GT Premium model features (where applicable) plus perforated ivory / off black leather-trimmed upholstery, 4-way power front passenger seat, and harman/kardon audio system. Options include: power moonroof and navigation system (navigation system requires power moonroof option).
The all-new Legacy 3.6R, which replaces the 3.0R model – is smoother and more refined, with more torque and power. The 3.6R is powered by a 256-hp 3.6-liter 6-cylinder Boxer engine matched to a 5-speed electronic automatic transmission. Compared to the 3.0-liter 6-cylinder engine it replaces, the more powerful 3.6R has similar external size and uses regular-grade fuel, rather than premium as the 3.0L 6-cylinder recommended to achieve its rated power.
The Legacy 3.6R will have a starting price of $24,995 (a $1,600 reduction over the outgoing 3.0R) and includes all 2.5i model features (where applicable) plus P225/50 R17 all-season tires, 17" Alloy Wheels, paddle shifters, driver's side window w/automatic up and down, instrument storage bin w/door, overhead console with sunglass holder and ambient light, and dual chrome exhaust tips.
The 3.6R Premium will have a starting price of $25,995 and includes all 3.6R model features (where applicable) plus a 10-way power driver's seat, leather-wrapped steering wheel and All-Weather Package. Options include: harman/kardon audio system and power moonroof.
The 3.6R Limited will have a starting price of $27,995 and includes all 3.6R Premium model features plus perforated ivory / off black leather-trimmed upholstery, 4-Way power front passenger seat, and harman/kardon audio system. Options include: power moonroof and navigation system (navigation system requires power moonroof option).
Accessory items for all 2010 Legacy models include 16" Alloy Wheels, fog lights, a Blueconnect Bluetooth hands-free phone device, iPod auxiliary connector, puddle lights, cargo tray and trunk lid spoiler. A complete list of accessories will be available soon on www.subaru.com.
Destination and Delivery charge is $695 for all 2010MY Legacy and Outback models in the Contiguous 48 States. The MSRP of PZEV (Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle) models is $300 more than the federal specification model. For more information about the 2010 Subaru Legacy, visit www.media.subaru.com