German Brands, Japanese Parts!
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German Brands, Japanese Parts!
I was Googling for factory Denso or NGK spark plugs for our RX and found some interesting hits below.
I guess when it comes to REAL performance and reliability, the same parts that make up our Lexus are silently making their way over to the German marquees.
'Nuff said.
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w210...-2001-e55.html
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w124...ou-prefer.html
http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-11005.html
http://www.dtmpower.net/forum/vendor...ark-plugs.html
http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/c32...ik16-ik20.html
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=561041
http://www.bmwpsi.com/article7/feature.php
I guess when it comes to REAL performance and reliability, the same parts that make up our Lexus are silently making their way over to the German marquees.
'Nuff said.
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w210...-2001-e55.html
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w124...ou-prefer.html
http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-11005.html
http://www.dtmpower.net/forum/vendor...ark-plugs.html
http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/c32...ik16-ik20.html
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=561041
http://www.bmwpsi.com/article7/feature.php
Last edited by whitels; 04-06-09 at 01:04 PM.
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The parts make up the car. And so next time I hear another bimmer or benz owner put down my "Toyota", I'll say, "what's under your hood, sir?"
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i don't even know why toyota bothers with aisin anymore
just look at the junk in the ES350...
the german transmissions are clearly superior. If lexus put dual clutch with paddle shifters in all its cars, win for everybody
so let's put it this way. the japanese have better electrical? engineering.
and the germans have better mechanical engineering
although lexus is less prone to electrical failure, lexus suffers from breakage of simple parts like side view mirror gears, like in the current GS. those stupid mirrors seem to break a lot for gs owners here
germans and japanese should work together. Lexus + pdk = ownage
just look at the junk in the ES350...
the german transmissions are clearly superior. If lexus put dual clutch with paddle shifters in all its cars, win for everybody
so let's put it this way. the japanese have better electrical? engineering.
and the germans have better mechanical engineering
although lexus is less prone to electrical failure, lexus suffers from breakage of simple parts like side view mirror gears, like in the current GS. those stupid mirrors seem to break a lot for gs owners here
germans and japanese should work together. Lexus + pdk = ownage
Last edited by GFerg; 04-06-09 at 10:18 PM. Reason: derogatory term used
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Dual clutch trans? The 2009 Dodge Avenger overseas is already equipped with this, built here in Indiana. It was co-developed with Getrag.
What about the Aisin-built 8-speed auto trans with less moving parts than a 5-speed, more compact, and 17% more efficient?
We can go on and on and on and it won't end. The whole point of this is simply to address the German car purists who like to bash our "Toyotas". Get the point?
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Yes, a better spark plug. As simple as that. Don't leave home without it, or you'll have engine misfire
Dual clutch trans? The 2009 Dodge Avenger overseas is already equipped with this, built here in Indiana. It was co-developed with Getrag.
What about the Aisin-built 8-speed auto trans with less moving parts than a 5-speed, more compact, and 17% more efficient?
We can go on and on and on and it won't end. The whole point of this is simply to address the German car purists who like to bash our "Toyotas". Get the point?
Dual clutch trans? The 2009 Dodge Avenger overseas is already equipped with this, built here in Indiana. It was co-developed with Getrag.
What about the Aisin-built 8-speed auto trans with less moving parts than a 5-speed, more compact, and 17% more efficient?
We can go on and on and on and it won't end. The whole point of this is simply to address the German car purists who like to bash our "Toyotas". Get the point?
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the engineering and fine detail put into the Japanese engineering is insane. then again, the Germans sure make a helluva car.
I'm Japanese but I'm not biased. Both make wonderful cars, just different.
and to contradict the OP's point, the Mazda Atenza used Bosch direct injectors on their diesel engines IIRC. I mean, in this world of economy, you really can't make a point like that...Ford owns Mazda, Daimler has an alliance with MMC, Germans use Denso, Japanese use Bosch.
I'm Japanese but I'm not biased. Both make wonderful cars, just different.
and to contradict the OP's point, the Mazda Atenza used Bosch direct injectors on their diesel engines IIRC. I mean, in this world of economy, you really can't make a point like that...Ford owns Mazda, Daimler has an alliance with MMC, Germans use Denso, Japanese use Bosch.
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i don't even know why toyota bothers with aisin anymore
just look at the junk in the ES350...
the german transmissions are clearly superior. If lexus put dual clutch with paddle shifters in all its cars, win for everybody
so let's put it this way. the japanese have better electrical? engineering.
and the germans have better mechanical engineering
although lexus is less prone to electrical failure, lexus suffers from breakage of simple parts like side view mirror gears, like in the current GS. those stupid mirrors seem to break a lot for gs owners here
germans and japanese should work together. Lexus + pdk = ownage
just look at the junk in the ES350...
the german transmissions are clearly superior. If lexus put dual clutch with paddle shifters in all its cars, win for everybody
so let's put it this way. the japanese have better electrical? engineering.
and the germans have better mechanical engineering
although lexus is less prone to electrical failure, lexus suffers from breakage of simple parts like side view mirror gears, like in the current GS. those stupid mirrors seem to break a lot for gs owners here
germans and japanese should work together. Lexus + pdk = ownage
Bosch supplies Toyota with braking systems parts - they bought out Bendix's OEM division from Honeywell a few years ago. Ditto with ATE. Toyota also buys hood shocks from Stabilus, a German firm. Honda is using ATE and Bosch parts in their braking systems too - the Accord, Civic, Pilot/RidgeLine and Odyssey use Valeo or Siemens VDO key/remotes and immobilizers as well. Valeo is a French company.
Mercedes has been using Denso parts for years - they've been using Denso smog pumps in the 80s instead of the American-made Delco ones in the 70s. They've also used Denso AC compressors in the mid-80s from GM Harrison ones.
Last edited by nthach; 04-07-09 at 08:05 AM.
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