next-gen Hyundai Sonata (revealed)
10-03-09, 03:51 PM
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it's safe to say genesis sedan average about 1000-1100 per month from their past numbers. Coupe is the big flop so far because it's too expensive and it's going against mustang and camaro.
anyway 1000-1100 per month isn't really that bad for 35-42k Hyundai. people still care about the badge name especially for people who can afford 40k car.
anyway 1000-1100 per month isn't really that bad for 35-42k Hyundai. people still care about the badge name especially for people who can afford 40k car.
Here is a link to an article from March 2009 that backs up my point a bit:
http://wot.motortrend.com/6485334/au...der/index.html
According to Krafcik, initial sales for the Genesis Coupe have been even hotter than the luxury-oriented Genesis sedan, even with "significantly less" marketing.
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10-03-09, 05:00 PM
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It's silly of you to compare the Genesis to the GS, because the GS starts off at a MUCH HIGHER MSRP, and a fully loaded GS is in a totally different class and price range than the Genesis.
and when you say 'totally different class' what does that mean? because the dealerships are nicer? i'm sure there's some feature differences, but what does the GS offer that a genesis does not?
Since Hyundai now combines Genesis coupe and sedan sales, we cannot say which model is selling more. For September, Hyundai could have sold 1,000 coupes, and only 600 sedans hypothetically. Fact is we don't know.
The Genesis competes against cars like the ES, and Infiniti G (not the GS), and against both of those the Genesis is doing poorly.
Price will be very important in determining the success of the new Sonata.
10-03-09, 05:24 PM
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If people would actually test-drive the coupe, especially those who are sport-oriented and don't mind a somewhat stiffer ride than in the sedan, I think the coupe would sell itself, especially the top-level 3.8L Track version. The 3.8 Track coupe is one of the VERY few cars I have ever driven that has a BMW-worthy chassis/steering/drivetrain combination outside of BMW itself. It is a truly superb sport coupe for the money (31K).
I can't prove it, but I think the coupe's lower sales numbers may be due to its somewhat cheaper-looking interior and materials, compared to the sedan's far more plush interior. People take one look at the sedan's interior and seem to be mesmorized, and don't bother to even test-drive the coupe. And, of course, families, in most cases, are going to choose the sedan, simply based on its 4 doors.
10-03-09, 05:39 PM
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calling someone 'silly' is rude and uncalled for. you say they don't compete, i say they do. we DISAGREE. the GS is also selling so poorly that it's basically irrelevant. and some considering a USED GS may consider a NEW Genesis instead.
and when you say 'totally different class' what does that mean? because the dealerships are nicer? i'm sure there's some feature differences, but what does the GS offer that a genesis does not?
and when you say 'totally different class' what does that mean? because the dealerships are nicer? i'm sure there's some feature differences, but what does the GS offer that a genesis does not?
Outside of anecdotal and circumstantial personal observation, do you have any concrete proof that the GS is highly cross-shopped with the Genesis?
As for the Infiniti G, it has hardly been on the market for "many years" in it's current form. Bringing up the Infiniti G20 won't work, as that was a FWD car, and it had virtually no success in North America. The Infiniti G sedan in it's current form (RWD, high performance, decent styling, decent value) has been on the market for 6 years. Before the G35, the G20 was non-existent in the eyes of luxury buyers.
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10-05-09, 06:47 AM
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The GS is in a totally "different class" in terms of price, and market segment. This is not something I made up, these are industry-wide price and market segments.
Outside of anecdotal and circumstantial personal observation, do you have any concrete proof that the GS is highly cross-shopped with the Genesis?
Outside of anecdotal and circumstantial personal observation, do you have any concrete proof that the GS is highly cross-shopped with the Genesis?
10-05-09, 06:56 AM
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Infiniti G, Lexus IS were once new models also, and right from the start they were doing better than the Genesis. And Genesis 4.6 is offered for $399 lease rate, and still sells slowly.
I'd say people simply view the Genesis as a knock off, and while its a nice car and absolutely best value for the money, many would simply be embarrassed to drive it.
I'd say people simply view the Genesis as a knock off, and while its a nice car and absolutely best value for the money, many would simply be embarrassed to drive it.
10-05-09, 06:58 AM
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Infiniti G, Lexus IS were once new models also, and right from the start they were doing better than the Genesis. And Genesis 4.6 is offered for $399 lease rate, and still sells slowly.
I'd say people simply view the Genesis as a knock off, and while its a nice car and absolutely best value for the money, many would simply be embarrassed to drive it.
I'd say people simply view the Genesis as a knock off, and while its a nice car and absolutely best value for the money, many would simply be embarrassed to drive it.
10-05-09, 07:09 AM
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It all starts with this.
Lease a 2009 Genesis for $399 a month for 36 months**
A 375-horsepower 4.6L V8
Front engine rear wheel drive platform
Audiophile sound system by Lexicon®
Features that redefine luxury
Exceptional braking power
10-05-09, 08:16 AM
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Infiniti G, Lexus IS were once new models also, and right from the start they were doing better than the Genesis. And Genesis 4.6 is offered for $399 lease rate, and still sells slowly.
I'd say people simply view the Genesis as a knock off, and while its a nice car and absolutely best value for the money, many would simply be embarrassed to drive it.
I'd say people simply view the Genesis as a knock off, and while its a nice car and absolutely best value for the money, many would simply be embarrassed to drive it.
10-08-09, 09:34 PM
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a review of the new sonata (4 banger, korean spec)
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/tes...0-korean-spec/
i really do hope hyundai brings v6 here in america.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/tes...0-korean-spec/
i really do hope hyundai brings v6 here in america.
10-09-09, 11:09 AM
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Genesis sales at 3K a month? How LONG ago was that? For September, Genesis sales including BOTH coupe AND sedan were only 1665. It's silly of you to compare the Genesis to the GS, because the GS starts off at a MUCH HIGHER MSRP, and a fully loaded GS is in a totally different class and price range than the Genesis.
The Genesis competes against cars like the ES, and Infiniti G (not the GS), and against both of those the Genesis is doing poorly.
The Genesis competes against cars like the ES, and Infiniti G (not the GS), and against both of those the Genesis is doing poorly.
ES has a established and respected name and is one of the best selling if not best selling cars in its segment, nobody is expecting a Genesis that has no or poor brand recognition to come anywhere close to the ES and they are pretty different cars anyway, most ES buyers don't want a rwd car or a thirsty v8 option so hardly any are going to be drawn to the Genesis sedan. G sedan and coupe are also very well established and popular and usually are reviewed well and have an attractive price so they are going to sell better. The GS is selling very poorly too and only gets lukewarm reviews despite it being much more established so it is not like there is this huge difference between them. Although the Genesis is not really put in many competitons in magazines it most likely would be competing with mid level lux sedans then entry level lux sedans because of its specs and proportions.
I am not blown away or all that impressed by the Genesis, especially the cheap uninspired interior, questionable build quality, questionable reliability, and so so handling but I do see it as GS, M, E competition spec wise despite what its priced at.
10-09-09, 05:06 PM
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Spec wise there is no denying the Genesis sedan competes with the Lexus GS, the Genesis even exceeds the GS specs in interior room, acceleration, and v8 (340hp vs 375hp)power by a healthy margin. Some have even compared the Genesis size and power wise to a LS or 7 series but priced more entry level. Hyundai bench marked the 5 series for the Genesis. It is not silly at all to compare the Genesis with the GS. Price wise the Genesis sedan may be a good deal lower but that has to do with Hyundai never competing in this field and there is no way they could get away with having a mid level luxury car priced the same or near the more established competition. That is like saying a LS460 does not compete with a Mercedes S class because the Mercedes is a good deal more expensive, to some a LS may not be up to a S class standards but to many they do compete despite the price difference.
ES has a established and respected name and is one of the best selling if not best selling cars in its segment, nobody is expecting a Genesis that has no or poor brand recognition to come anywhere close to the ES and they are pretty different cars anyway, most ES buyers don't want a rwd car or a thirsty v8 option so hardly any are going to be drawn to the Genesis sedan. G sedan and coupe are also very well established and popular and usually are reviewed well and have an attractive price so they are going to sell better. The GS is selling very poorly too and only gets lukewarm reviews despite it being much more established so it is not like there is this huge difference between them. Although the Genesis is not really put in many competitons in magazines it most likely would be competing with mid level lux sedans then entry level lux sedans because of its specs and proportions.
I am not blown away or all that impressed by the Genesis, especially the cheap uninspired interior, questionable build quality, questionable reliability, and so so handling but I do see it as GS, M, E competition spec wise despite what its priced at.
ES has a established and respected name and is one of the best selling if not best selling cars in its segment, nobody is expecting a Genesis that has no or poor brand recognition to come anywhere close to the ES and they are pretty different cars anyway, most ES buyers don't want a rwd car or a thirsty v8 option so hardly any are going to be drawn to the Genesis sedan. G sedan and coupe are also very well established and popular and usually are reviewed well and have an attractive price so they are going to sell better. The GS is selling very poorly too and only gets lukewarm reviews despite it being much more established so it is not like there is this huge difference between them. Although the Genesis is not really put in many competitons in magazines it most likely would be competing with mid level lux sedans then entry level lux sedans because of its specs and proportions.
I am not blown away or all that impressed by the Genesis, especially the cheap uninspired interior, questionable build quality, questionable reliability, and so so handling but I do see it as GS, M, E competition spec wise despite what its priced at.
10-09-09, 05:23 PM
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Infiniti G, Lexus IS were once new models also, and right from the start they were doing better than the Genesis. And Genesis 4.6 is offered for $399 lease rate, and still sells slowly.
I'd say people simply view the Genesis as a knock off, and while its a nice car and absolutely best value for the money, many would simply be embarrassed to drive it.
I'd say people simply view the Genesis as a knock off, and while its a nice car and absolutely best value for the money, many would simply be embarrassed to drive it.
Jesus it's 2009. not 1989!!! people aren't embarrassed driving hyundai anymore. if they are so embarrassed why hyundai is selling so well?
people simply lean toward bmw, lexus, and MB when spending 40k. they just don't want to spend 40k on hyundai, toyota, honda or nissan because IT'S NOT A LUXURY BRAND!