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Old 05-01-09, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Gojirra99
Shouldn't the Mercedes C300 be in this comparo too ? It's newer than the BMW and the Lexus, but yet nobody ask why it is not included
Because this is a Lexus forum, and the C300 would lose anyway.
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Old 05-01-09, 06:42 PM
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How is the forum to change the outcome of a comparison of luxury sedans???
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Old 05-01-09, 09:08 PM
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Geezus it was a tie and then a beating.

207 points for the BMW 328i
205 points for the G37 sport
193 points for Audi A4 2.0T
177 points for TL SH-AWD

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Old 05-01-09, 10:47 PM
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Ouch to Acura...ouch. What did they really expect though? The TL is not a real luxury car, it's an Accord with different styling and better performance. Every other car in that test (the bmw, the Audi and the Infiniti) are all dedicated platforms, and it shows.
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Old 05-01-09, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by FKL
Threxx, why haven't you talked to APR or GIAC? Your friends TL won't stand any chance after that.
giac chip + test pipe carbonio intake, fmic , methonal injection you have a good 280whp and 330 torque's
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Old 05-01-09, 11:05 PM
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Personaly I would take the A4, I remember my old A4 days I put in a good chunk of money into the car and I turned from a mediocre 4wd sports sedan to my car. The turbo audi's are redicously easy to mod, read my above post. you can make almost 100whp for 3.5k another 1k into suspension work and you have a 335xi killer that will get you 35mpg highway
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Old 05-01-09, 11:11 PM
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IMO the only 3 series that deserves to beat the G37 is the 335 , not the anemic 328i ( boulevard cruiser and grocery getter)
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Old 05-02-09, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by drunk_dave
Personaly I would take the A4, I remember my old A4 days I put in a good chunk of money into the car and I turned from a mediocre 4wd sports sedan to my car. The turbo audi's are redicously easy to mod, read my above post. you can make almost 100whp for 3.5k another 1k into suspension work and you have a 335xi killer that will get you 35mpg highway
I would have to make the jump to the S4 and go from there. I would HAVE to get an AWD Audi.

 
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^So beautiful!
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Old 05-03-09, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
Not sure why the IS is left out the C&D comparo. Maybe Lexus got hip to their crap? Not sure.

The TL-S, G35, IS 350 squared off in R&T. The IS won the comparo.
Early in the article is their reason for leaving out the IS350 and C300. Any existing model that lost in previous tests is not included. The Acura and Audi are new models and the G37 is an upgrade from the G35.

They really did not like the Audi - rough, noisy and slow. The 328 was the cheapest as tested, but had the plastic seats and now power equipment so it was very much a base model. The G37 was better at almost everything, but they hated the clutch. After reading the article, my guess is that if they had tested an G37 automatic, the G37 would have won.
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Originally Posted by oldcajun
Early in the article is their reason for leaving out the IS350 and C300. Any existing model that lost in previous tests is not included. The Acura and Audi are new models and the G37 is an upgrade from the G35.

They really did not like the Audi - rough, noisy and slow. The 328 was the cheapest as tested, but had the plastic seats and now power equipment so it was very much a base model. The G37 was better at almost everything, but they hated the clutch. After reading the article, my guess is that if they had tested an G37 automatic, the G37 would have won.
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
I would have to make the jump to the S4 and go from there. I would HAVE to get an AWD Audi.
In some ways, Mike, the GS450H you have now is better than an S4.
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Come on people, this is car and drivers we are talking about, BMW was the winner before the test ever started. This is a bunch of gear heads who really like nice handling cars, but a nice handling cars is not the best car most of the time. It really depends on what you are looking for in a car, personally, I like a car that is well rounded, a car that is rated high on everything, it doesnt have to be rated the highest as in the BMW's handling, and I agree, the 335i would have been a more believeable winner.
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Originally Posted by FKL
Ouch to Acura...ouch. What did they really expect though? The TL is not a real luxury car, it's an Accord with different styling and better performance. Every other car in that test (the bmw, the Audi and the Infiniti) are all dedicated platforms, and it shows.
What is real luxury? Is the BMW 328 with the leatherette real luxury? Dedicated platform a real luxury? This is car and driver and they place heavily on handling. A big and heavy car will not handle well and this is the case of the TL. The TL does not win because it big, slow, look weird not because was not a real luxury and base on the accord. I like the interior of the TL much more then the 328.

If TL is not an luxury .. true can be said to many others like the ES350. And to me the ES350 is a true luxury. Well entry-level anyway like the TL,G,Audi,3 Series. Acura brand can't compete with Lexus, but TL match nicely against the ES350 not so with the IS or other Smaller 4 door sport sedans IMO.
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Originally Posted by wmb0000
I like the interior of the TL much more then the 328.
Heck, I like the interior of the Accord EX better than the BMW 3 series'
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