VW slams the Prius [again]
05-11-09, 08:29 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiKnp-7B6u4
I find kbb none biased its an honest review, face it its not a rebadge like tahoe and yukon or g5 and cobalt. its more like camry and es350
I find kbb none biased its an honest review, face it its not a rebadge like tahoe and yukon or g5 and cobalt. its more like camry and es350
05-11-09, 08:47 PM
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Here's the spec on Routan
http://www.vw.com/routan/completespe...s/#engineering
Read the suspension part... It has a twist beam rear axle, this is the cheapest and the worst kind of suspension setup one can think of. Autobahn tuned suspension, what a freaking joke. Even Nissan doesn't use this crap anymore. The Honda's suspension is far far superior.
http://www.vw.com/routan/completespe...s/#engineering
Read the suspension part... It has a twist beam rear axle, this is the cheapest and the worst kind of suspension setup one can think of. Autobahn tuned suspension, what a freaking joke. Even Nissan doesn't use this crap anymore. The Honda's suspension is far far superior.
05-11-09, 08:53 PM
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Here's the spec on Routan
http://www.vw.com/routan/completespe...s/#engineering
Read the suspension part... It has a twist beam rear axle, this is the cheapest and the worst kind of suspension setup one can think of. Autobahn tuned suspension, what a freaking joke. Even Nissan doesn't use this crap anymore. The Honda's suspension is far far superior.
http://www.vw.com/routan/completespe...s/#engineering
Read the suspension part... It has a twist beam rear axle, this is the cheapest and the worst kind of suspension setup one can think of. Autobahn tuned suspension, what a freaking joke. Even Nissan doesn't use this crap anymore. The Honda's suspension is far far superior.
05-11-09, 09:17 PM
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Hundreds of millions of dollars?
That seems like a dumb decision now...
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/04/20/g...rtedly-not-lo/
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/30/r...vans-for-febr/
That seems like a dumb decision now...
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/04/20/g...rtedly-not-lo/
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/30/r...vans-for-febr/
What frightens me is that VW may have some of these "qualities" spill over onto their new American cars to be built in TN. Why I would ever buy a VW that lacks core VW values (solidness, premium materials, driving refinement) eludes me entirely.
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05-11-09, 10:04 PM
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05-12-09, 12:08 AM
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^I will try it out if I get the chance. I look forward to hearing first hand accounts on the car.
Honestly I've driven the Prius second generation and to *ME* it just feels like a cheap economy car. I'm coming from cars that are more expensive, I know, but it just feels like a spartan compared to a Jetta. I know it has some cool tech toys, but the interior is a little skimpy on quality, the doors are light, the steering is slow and light and boring, and the handling poor, the brakes - well you know. It's great that it gets 50MPG, but I don't know what its selling point would be if it DIDN'T get that type of mileage. It would just be an ugly hatchback alternative to an entry level Camry/top trim Corolla. The Jetta, on the other hand, speaks for itself in standard form. Hell, you can even get the thing in a wagon, which looks better and more sporty than the Prius IMO.
But like you said, I'll reserve all judgment until I can at least see the new Prius 3G for myself
Honestly I've driven the Prius second generation and to *ME* it just feels like a cheap economy car. I'm coming from cars that are more expensive, I know, but it just feels like a spartan compared to a Jetta. I know it has some cool tech toys, but the interior is a little skimpy on quality, the doors are light, the steering is slow and light and boring, and the handling poor, the brakes - well you know. It's great that it gets 50MPG, but I don't know what its selling point would be if it DIDN'T get that type of mileage. It would just be an ugly hatchback alternative to an entry level Camry/top trim Corolla. The Jetta, on the other hand, speaks for itself in standard form. Hell, you can even get the thing in a wagon, which looks better and more sporty than the Prius IMO.
But like you said, I'll reserve all judgment until I can at least see the new Prius 3G for myself
05-12-09, 03:59 AM
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05-12-09, 08:13 AM
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VW would have a difficult time directly challenging the Prius on its actual merits, because for all intent and purpose, its pretty much a car that is synonymous with the current green trend, which has then further managed to trickle its popularity into other Toyota vehicles. The timing of the 2nd gen Prius was just perfect, and Toyota really capitalized on it...perception is reality.
This commercial, though, is just silly...most notable being throwing two cars on the skidpad (with the Jetta in front, of course), then showing a huge disparity in the graph for a difference of .02 Gs...and of all things, a skidpad, where the tires are most substantial in the test, on an aged purpose-built economy car that is not using any type of performance rubber.
05-12-09, 12:49 PM
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05-12-09, 01:31 PM
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Sounds like nothing more than marketing hoopla. The reality is, the suspension is physically the same as the GC with the "tune" being different spring rates, shock dampening, and maybe larger sway bars. Hardly worth hundreds of millions of dollars.